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Graduate creative writing programs

SFG75

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Anyone been through, or know anyone who has been through a creative writing program? Are they worth a darn or basically pointless? I'm very curious about this area as my area was quite different. I clicked around and foundNaropa University's creative writing program as well as New School University's program-those two looked as if they would be quite good. Then again, if you are creative, do you really need a creative writing program? Just one of those ironic things I guess, I don't know. Any thoughts?
 
SFG75 said:
Anyone been through, or know anyone who has been through a creative writing program? Are they worth a darn or basically pointless? I'm very curious about this area as my area was quite different. I clicked around and foundNaropa University's creative writing program as well as New School University's program-those two looked as if they would be quite good. Then again, if you are creative, do you really need a creative writing program? Just one of those ironic things I guess, I don't know. Any thoughts?

In the UK or the US or doesn't it matter?
 
I graduated in 2003 with a degree in Media Writing.

Without this, I really don't think I would ever have been able to complete a lot of the things I now have. It's all very well being creative, but if there's no focus, then what's the point? I would certainly encourage people to go on creative writing courses, especially if they need some kind of direction. My course was a great help to me.
 
I've never done anything of this sort, but I think it would be interesting in the future. I've seen some short courses on creative writing and I think I'd start with one of these to see if I find it worthwhile before embarking on anything more substantial. Many of these are run through universities and colleges, but are for the public and are run weekly in the evenings.
 
I've never done anything of this sort, but I think it would be interesting in the future. I've seen some short courses on creative writing and I think I'd start with one of these to see if I find it worthwhile before embarking on anything more substantial.

I hear you there. After you earn $30,000 and are more settled, you aren't as inclined to drive across the country to start a program on a whim. With that being said, I guess that I'm an eternal student and have missed being in the classroom since earning my M.A. In regards to "short courses," there are some interesting online programs out there. It would be fun and exciting to take a few courses from one of these programs. To see a good list of accredited schools with creative writings programs, click here. :cool:
 
SFG75 said:
In regards to "short courses," there are some interesting online programs out there. It would be fun and exciting to take a few courses from one of these programs. To see a good list of accredited schools with creative writings programs, click here. :cool:
Call me old fashioned, but I'd prefer to be in a face-to-face classroom. More motivation to attend and keep up with the studies, and it suits the way I learn. I plan to keep learning for the rest of my life as well, and I really like the idea of an evening class once a week, particularly when I have kids and need some adult contact in my life.

By the way, be sure that an online school is accredited - there was a recent case here where an "accredited" school was actually not. 50 students took online business degrees, only to have the school closed after it was auditted and found lacking. They closed the school. Now the students are suing the government for approving their student loans to a school that wasn't accredited... Just saying to be careful, but I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know :) .
 
I'm currently doing a creative writing class but, once it's over, I'm going to work on a portfolio for this.
 
CDA said:
Hell! I SO know what you mean by that! :)

Yep, my wife works with a guy who has about four M.A. degrees. While he loves education, he's also deeply in debt. We would be too, but the wife is great with money and in prioritizing.


Stewart
-Looks like one heck of a good program, you'll have to post some of your work(if you haven't done so already, I don't check on the writing threads much) for others to enjoy.:)
 
SFG75 said:
Yep, my wife works with a guy who has about four M.A. degrees. While he loves education, he's also deeply in debt. We would be too, but the wife is great with money and in prioritizing.

Debt - know all about that....:(

The thing I liked about the course I did was not just the creative side - it was the cultural study side of it all that gave me a new way of looking at things: all these ideas and theorists that I wouldn't have ever known about otherwise. It's definitely affected my creative work, not just in writing but also in the music I do.
 
SFG75 said:
Stewart-Looks like one heck of a good program, you'll have to post some of your work(if you haven't done so already, I don't check on the writing threads much) for others to enjoy.:)

The hardest thing about it is that the thirty page portfolio I produce would have to be exemplary since I don't have a degree. There's some of my stuff dotted about in this forum, dating back the 90s, but I'm approaching new directions these days and trying to find a sense of realism and my own notion of place with regards to my home city.
 
Sounds awesome Stewart. I have some ideas that I want to put down on paper, but I'm my own worst enemy. I procrastinate a lot and concentrate more on other things and make excuses as to why I shouldn't write. That's great that you are focusing on improving yourself as a writer. You'll have to let us all know when you get accepted into that program, I'll smoke a good stogie for ya.;)
 
I didn't take a graduate program, but I took a creative option for a semester during journalism school. It was a mistake for me. I think it is important to have a good fit with the teacher for something like this. Basically, this teacher was a Genre Snob. She felt that literary fiction was the One True Way and was full of prescriptives for how "one writes dialogue" or "one sets the scene" or one does any number of things. She did help me sort out POV once and for all, and I did learn from being in her class, but it was a horrible experience because I was too stubborn to give up my love of genre fiction and she spent the whole semester arguing with me that I had to aspire to greater things than mysteries and romance novels.
 
JoannaC said:
Basically, this teacher was a Genre Snob. She felt that literary fiction was the One True Way and was full of prescriptives for how "one writes dialogue" or "one sets the scene" or one does any number of things. She did help me sort out POV once and for all, and I did learn from being in her class, but it was a horrible experience because I was too stubborn to give up my love of genre fiction and she spent the whole semester arguing with me that I had to aspire to greater things than mysteries and romance novels.

Er, that sounds more like your problem than hers. If you do creative writing then expect to learn from great writers, both classic and contemporary, rather than the shit that clogs shelf space in libraries and bookshops. You wouldn't expect a creative writing lecturer to suggest Dan Brown or Danielle Steele as a great template to work from.
 
SFG75 said:
I have some ideas that I want to put down on paper, but I'm my own worst enemy. I procrastinate a lot and concentrate more on other things and make excuses as to why I shouldn't write.

I do that sometimes. Now, I just site down, put some music on (Future Sound of London are good for writing) and write, knowing that whatever is written won't be used. I do have the habit of going back to a sentence and spending time on it when I could, or should, be telling the rest of the story. I suppose I have to accept that I do that, or find a way to shake it out of practice.

That's great that you are focusing on improving yourself as a writer.

Thanks. It's something I've done on and off for sixteen years now and I'm concerned that I've not produced a body of work, or, indeed, been prolific in any sense other than ideas. I find Writing Forums can be great.

You'll have to let us all know when you get accepted into that program, I'll smoke a good stogie for ya.;)

Since the deadline for submissions is January I'll have a year to work on a portfolio and then go for entry in 2007. Cheers!
 
Stewart, my only point was that good match IS important. Obviously, this teacher was not a good fit for me and that affected my experience. That does not mean she had nothing to teach me, or that I was a terrible writer. It just meant that our interests did not click. I was not capable interested in the kind of writing the kind of writing she prefers so I should not have been in her class. As for your assertion that a creative writing lecturer would never suggest Dan Brown or Danielle Steele as a template, that is patently not true. Have you ever read Donald Maass? He is a literary agent who suggests just such a strategy. Whether Brown or Steele are to your personal taste or not, the fact remains that they have sold many, many books. People like their stuff. Whether you personally do or not is your decision. I see nothing wrong with saying "I want to write popular fiction successfully, so I will study the works of people who have done this." Steele is not to my personal taste, but there are plenty of successful genre writers. And there are plenty of genre readers who also read classics and literature. I do not at all see why the two have to be mutually exclusive.

As for this writing teacher, my only point was that I personally did not like this implication that only one kind of writing is acceptable, and that for this reason I did not get along with her. I recall one assignment where a guy int he class wrote a perfectly nice gangster story. Instead of saying something like "This is a great example of a solid, well-written gangster story" she instead made him feel bad that he had not written Great Literature. Now, if he had written a BAD gangster story, that would be one thing. Imho it would be perfectly acceptable to say "here is how you could improve your gangster story" or "here is how you could add interest, or develop characterization, or dramatize setting in a way suitable for a good gangster story." But to say "one should not be writing gangster stories" is something completely different, and that what was about her I objected to.
 
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