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Another kind of beauty!

Flowerdk4

New Member
I have just posted this on another site but I thought I would share it with you as well!

Russian "poetry" at its best!

I have just found a site with the most beautifull photos of St. Petersburg.
I have never been myself, but have been dreaming about going for some time now. I was amased just how beautifull the city is!
If you are anything like me, you would simply looove this site and start dreaming about going straight away!

http://users.abac.com/gregoryo/mycity/

Enjoy!

Flower
 
Yep, SPb is a beautiful city, especially if you look on the facades and walk the city center.
There are lots of sites there I long to make photos of, and I already have lots of photos from my TWO previous visits to Leningrad: I came there with my friends for a week some Winter 25 years ago or so, and then after two years with a girl for two days. After that I only managed to drop there on business - 75 minutes by plane from Moscow, and by a hired car to some or other office for couple of hours of quarrels and a lunch, then - a trip back.

And about two weeks ago I had to come there again...

Alas, I hadn't time to look through the city, nor I had the state of mind suitable for that.

But here is some info on SPb as it is now:

1. Official authorities there are very greedy and ruthless. To talk sense to them one needs lots of money, high connections or a Kalashnikov machine gun.
2. Girls there are wonderful: maybe much colder (than in Moscow) climate makes them very slim.
3. "Love for sale" is pretty widely spread there: there are thick illustrated magazines in free circulation there with advertisements of girls offering sexual services of any imaginable kind (at least I was told so).
By the way, whoring is just a way to get an independent income for many girls there. At least I was told so by a beautiful student of a Customs Academy, who was also after that kind of income.
4. One can never tell what weather will be in SPb in an hour. If it is a sunny afternoon now, it could easily be heavy raining in a moment.
5. I cannot understand it, but being three times younger than Moscow, SPb manages to look three times older than it...
6. Streets in the center are paved with granite slabs. They say that SPb authorities also needed some additional income for private purposes, and the second best way to get it is to start construction works. (The best way I have already mentioned above. It's beyond me why the authorities hadn't choose it).
7. Internal yards in SPb are as hideous now as they had been in Dostoyevsky times. It is easy to think of killing some babushka after looking for hours at a brick wall before your window. Brrrr... Never take a room with windows looking on an internal yard.
8. Never take a room with windows looking on a street!!! OK, looks would be great. But they have lots of noisy vehicles going to and fro all night, and windows are not sound proof... Really, I managed to sleep only after I stuffed my ears with toilet paper...
9. Never open windows in SPb! They have a breed of vampires there which could drink up all of your blood in seconds. I escaped that end by a hearwidth...
Sure, what one would expect of a city builded in the middle of marshes?
10. If you need beer... They have it in SPb. There is a place named "Prohodimets" (A Scoundrel) on Rubinshtein street. I've never tried such a delicious unfiltered red beer... Even in London...

OK, I have some work to do...
Ehhh, and all the beautiful looks? Yep, they are there. That's great to walk a Nevsky Prospekt to Neva River, to look at the Winter Palace, Isaak's Cathedral and lots of other places...
Too bad I cannot find a week just to spend there leisurely...
 
Thank you very much, Sergo!

I did picture the Official authorities to be like you say! ;)
And I did think that there would strange yards and streets like a labyrith. I do not care much for girls selling sex, being a woman myself!

I picture it to be like the old part of my town, Copenhagen, Denmark. And from what I see in the photo, thats right! Old stoned pavement, old lamp posts etc. but in St. Petersburg, there just seem to be lots more of it, than in Copenhagen. And many bridges as well. Plus also these wonderfull fairtale like churches. And then there is of course this eastern europe touch to it all! :D

I imagine that when I go visit I should bring lots of money? I have no idea of the prices but I reckon there is many things I would like to buy there.

Flower

PS. The wheather sounds like the wheather we have here!

PS. Another thing, how is the food????
 
Sergo said:
But here is some info on SPb as it is now:

1. Official authorities there are very greedy and ruthless. To talk sense to them one needs lots of money, high connections or a Kalashnikov machine gun..
Not got your truck back then?
 
Flowerdk4 said:
Thank you very much, Sergo!

I did picture the Official authorities to be like you say! ;)
And I did think that there would strange yards and streets like a labyrith. I do not care much for girls selling sex, being a woman myself!

I picture it to be like the old part of my town, Copenhagen, Denmark. And from what I see in the photo, thats right! Old stoned pavement, old lamp posts etc. but in St. Petersburg, there just seem to be lots more of it, than in Copenhagen. And many bridges as well. Plus also these wonderfull fairtale like churches. And then there is of course this eastern europe touch to it all! :D

I imagine that when I go visit I should bring lots of money? I have no idea of the prices but I reckon there is many things I would like to buy there.

Flower

PS. The wheather sounds like the wheather we have here!

PS. Another thing, how is the food????

That's you I want to thank for a possibility to speak about Russia, dear Flower.

As to labirinths-like streets... You know, as the SPb had been a city to be built according to a plan from the beginning, most streets are straight and comparatively wide. But as some more modern buildings outside of the city ctnter are rather plain, impression could be exactly that. But one could easily walk for hours and not come to these streets.

As to sex... I thought to say about it was important to give a picture that formed in my mind.

Yep, buildings, museums, bridges, sculptures are wonderful. Though some of the seemingly ancient details were installed very recently, in several years it would be impossible to tell the modern granite paving from the ancient one... It is good some money were found at last for repairs in SPb. The city needed that badly a couple of years ago.

As to money... More is always better then less, you know. Though to buy clothes it is much better to come to London, for example: the same thing in SPb would cost much more. As to old pictures, things and souveniers I am not sure - they didn't seem too expensive to me... By the way, an average monthly income in Russia is $500 - $600, so life cannot be too expensive in SPb, as most of natives would not be able to afford it...

As to food... There are lots of good places to eat in SPb, I am sure you will like it there.

And I think it would be interesting for you to come to Alexandro-Nevskaya Lavra: there are many famous Russians buried there, and the church is very beautiful... We, Russians, like to come to our cemeteries...

Then there are several architectural and gardening sites near SPb - I think all all of them should be visited.

Please do not hesitate to ask me about Russia - I will be glad to answer.
 
Kenny Shovel said:
Not got your truck back then?

Not yet. Though talks are in progress even now. Customs people uderstand the situation, but militia wants to get its cut, so it is not as easy to solve as I'd hoped.
 
Sergo said:
That's you I want to thank for a possibility to speak about Russia, dear Flower.

As to labirinths-like streets... You know, as the SPb had been a city to be built according to a plan from the beginning, most streets are straight and comparatively wide. But as some more modern buildings outside of the city ctnter are rather plain, impression could be exactly that. But one could easily walk for hours and not come to these streets.

As to sex... I thought to say about it was important to give a picture that formed in my mind.

Yep, buildings, museums, bridges, sculptures are wonderful. Though some of the seemingly ancient details were installed very recently, in several years it would be impossible to tell the modern granite paving from the ancient one... It is good some money were found at last for repairs in SPb. The city needed that badly a couple of years ago.

As to money... More is always better then less, you know. Though to buy clothes it is much better to come to London, for example: the same thing in SPb would cost much more. As to old pictures, things and souveniers I am not sure - they didn't seem too expensive to me... By the way, an average monthly income in Russia is $500 - $600, so life cannot be too expensive in SPb, as most of natives would not be able to afford it...

As to food... There are lots of good places to eat in SPb, I am sure you will like it there.

And I think it would be interesting for you to come to Alexandro-Nevskaya Lavra: there are many famous Russians buried there, and the church is very beautiful... We, Russians, like to come to our cemeteries...

Then there are several architectural and gardening sites near SPb - I think all all of them should be visited.

Please do not hesitate to ask me about Russia - I will be glad to answer.

Sergo, I am just so happy to talk to a Russian!
I like to get to know people in a country I visit, instead of just being a tourist visiting and just looking at the beautifull sites. A couple of years ago I went to Egypt and I really liked the country and its people. We got to visit, just my son and I, a guide´s family. He was so proud to show his family, their house etc. and we got to know a little about everyday life there. People seem so gratefull if you show them that you actually want to know about their life, and not just another pyramid. ;) And I think that I would feel stupid if I only got to know the sites in a country.

As to money and buying things. I dont know why, but I have this picture that I could get lovely winter coats and boots in Russia. I reckon I like the style and have a picture that I could find tailors making lovely coats and boots. You know huge winter coats with a hut and boots with some sewing on (flowers etc.), and I reckon they would keep me warm as we also get cold winters here in Denmark.

About cemeteries. This is quite funny. Here in Copenhagen we have a huge cemetery where they have many strange and old trees. There people go in the summer time and picnic. You would lay on the lawns and enjoy yourself. The graves of H.C. Andersen and Kierkegaard is there, to name a few you might know. This is a special place and we dont go to our cemeteries normally like this. But I like the place as its peacefull and have many beautiful trees and not at all scary or with a negative energy. So maybe our cultures have more in common than I thought! Copenhagen also have a lot of water, just on a smaller scale. We do have canals and bridges and the little mermaid.

When you talk about sites and gardening, were you referring to this Summer Garden, I think it was called?
I have just checked some travelling agents to see what the price was to go to St. Petersburg. If I had a boat it wouldnt be that far away if you look on a map, but I would prefer to fly. The prices are not that bad. Some agents have tours where you also get to go to a town in the country. I think that may be a good idea. Anyway I have to start saving up for a holieday now. :p

Speaking of culture differences. I watched a documentary a couple of nights ago about homeless children, very small chilren from the age of 5 to 14 years old. They were living at a Station in Moscow I believe it was. It was heartbreaking to see those children trying to cope with life and not knowing where to get food or a safe place to sleep. Some of them even went with old men to their appartments giving sex, for some money and to get some food and a shower. All the childrens eyes were just so deep and you could tell they were lost souls. One thing, which puzzled me, was the fact that the police beat them up. This I did not understand. Plus, why there were no parents looking for them. I know that there are homeless people all over the world, so its not meant as thing I only think you have in Russian. I just simply could not understand how so small children could walk the streets and nobody really cared. Some people gave them carity clothes but that was it really. I was thinking that maybe, you have another culture about children in your country? How do I explain this without sounding ..bad. Here in Denmark you would never find a child walking the streets without people caring for the child, asking it where is your mother etc. and the police would take care of the child or the social board. I am aware of the fact that I live in a country with a high social standard, so seeing children like the ones in the film, is very heartbreaking for me. I would be glad if you could tell me about your family life, how do you socialise, and take care of each other?

Now a completely other thing. I have started to read Dostojevsky. And I could picture St. Petersburg before I saw all the beautiful photos of the town. I guess its because I had a picture that it would look a bit like the old part of Copenhagen and I was not far off base. Not that we have those beautiful churches. I somehow connect these churches with something from the middle east. I went to Egypt and that was a mixture of Africa and the middle east and they had the same kind of churces/mosques. In Cairo I went to a christen part of town and it was like being in a european town. The buildings and the energy was very european. Would you agree that russia is a mixture of christen europe and the middle east? I also think of the way you make patterns inside the churches and I have seen some decorative plates with patterns and they reminded me of something arabic.

I know that my post is VERY long and I hope you dont feel that I sort of attack you. I am just so glad to be able to talk with a Russian. And hopefully you can tell that I have a genuie interest. For many many years ago I had a friend who had studies russian and had lived in Moscow for 3 years. And today I have a friend who grew up in former east germany. I got her to tell me a lot about what life was like before the wall broke down. And it was not all that bad as I had been let to believe. She was taught about many Russian writers in school and does speak very little russian.

Would look forward to your reply.
Flower
 
Flowerdk4 said:
Sergo, I am just so happy to talk to a Russian!

Thanks Flower!

I like to get to know people in a country I visit, instead of just being a tourist visiting and just looking at the beautifull sites. A couple of years ago I went to Egypt and I really liked the country and its people. We got to visit, just my son and I, a guide´s family. He was so proud to show his family, their house etc. and we got to know a little about everyday life there. People seem so gratefull if you show them that you actually want to know about their life, and not just another pyramid. ;) And I think that I would feel stupid if I only got to know the sites in a country.

That's very wise of you.

As to money and buying things. I dont know why, but I have this picture that I could get lovely winter coats and boots in Russia. I reckon I like the style and have a picture that I could find tailors making lovely coats and boots. You know huge winter coats with a hut and boots with some sewing on (flowers etc.), and I reckon they would keep me warm as we also get cold winters here in Denmark.

Coats... Yep, we have good fur coats. But there is a problem of quality/price here. I think that the most reasonably priced and best in quality fur coats could be found in Siberia: my wife has bought very good coats twice in the Urals... (She was born there, and goes to visit her relatives from time to time).
But mostly what is for sell in our shops are coats made in China, Greece or Turkey. So I do not think the fur coats in Moscow or SPb would be too "cost effective". To order a coat made for measure you need to be sure the master is reliable, and that is not easy, I think.
As to shoes... We have traditional shoes named "Unthy" made of fur, and "Valenki" made of thick matted wool. These could be interesting and quite warm. But as to fashion fur shoes... We were never experts in them, and always tried to obtain Finnish, German, Austrian or even Italian... So I expect some good master can make a good pair, but how to find this master...

I have to work for some time now, but when I have time - I will surely return to answering...
 
Sergo said:
Coats... Yep, we have good fur coats. But there is a problem of quality/price here. I think that the most reasonably priced and best in quality fur coats could be found in Siberia: my wife has bought very good coats twice in the Urals... (She was born there, and goes to visit her relatives from time to time).
But mostly what is for sell in our shops are coats made in China, Greece or Turkey. So I do not think the fur coats in Moscow or SPb would be too "cost effective". To order a coat made for measure you need to be sure the master is reliable, and that is not easy, I think.
As to shoes... We have traditional shoes named "Unthy" made of fur, and "Valenki" made of thick matted wool. These could be interesting and quite warm. But as to fashion fur shoes... We were never experts in them, and always tried to obtain Finnish, German, Austrian or even Italian... So I expect some good master can make a good pair, but how to find this master...

I was not thinking about a fur coat! That I can easily get in Denmark. I was thinking of coats made out of wool in a russian design. A wee bit military sort of design, if I shall try and put a name to it. It sounds interesting about the shoes. I cannot wait till I can get a look at all the things you have. I guess I was picturing that there would be shops selling close which was tailor made and some shoe shops where they make the shoes themselves. Maybe an old fashion picture I have in my head.(?).

Sergo said:
I have to work for some time now, but when I have time - I will surely return to answering...
I look forward to hearing from you again. The more I talk about this, the more I want to go. :D

Flower
 
Shame on me!!!
But I wasn't there :(
I mean SPB. ;)

My heart will always be with Moscow. As i hate this city as much i love it. I love streets of this city, it's squares, alleys ... and many other things which couldn't understand people from other countries.

This summer I was in Greece. I loved this country. We were (we, it is my girlfriend and I) in Thesallonoki 80 miles from them, in tourist's zone. Beach was great, weather was fine. Afina is fabulous. But this country is nothing when i compare it with Russia.

I live in Zelenograd, this is 20 miles from Moscow. This is some kind of bunk of Moscow. Silent streets, a lot of green trees, beautiful alleys, big forest park, around all city, and as I told before faint. This is the most af all!

Sergo, if wasn't here, you should may your way here with your wife, especially in evening. This is the best place for romantic trip. And know it as good as could know only twenty years romantic who felt love not so long ago ;)

Fotos you can view from here
P.S. Special thnx for invitation to Flowerdk4 ;)
 
Flowerdk4 said:
Hi Rustam,
Nice of you to join us!
What makes you say, that Greece is nothing compared to Russia??? I have been to Greece many times and I like many things about Greece.

Flower

I said that this is for me.
Of course, Greece has good weather, beautiful sea, and a lot of other sings, which hasn't Russia. But Russia is my country, or better to say it become my country.
All my life I used to live in Baku, this is Azerbaijan, then, when USSR broked, life become, terrible. Our family moved to Moscow, it was in 1995, or 1996 I can't tell more precisely I was just a child. Russia gave my three high education, good work, friends and at last belowed.So how can it compare with any othere country? For my oppinion in can't ;)
 
Flowerdk4 said:
...About cemeteries. This is quite funny. Here in Copenhagen we have a huge cemetery where they have many strange and old trees. There people go in the summer time and picnic. You would lay on the lawns and enjoy yourself. The graves of H.C. Andersen and Kierkegaard is there, to name a few you might know. This is a special place and we dont go to our cemeteries normally like this. But I like the place as its peacefull and have many beautiful trees and not at all scary or with a negative energy. So maybe our cultures have more in common than I thought! Copenhagen also have a lot of water, just on a smaller scale. We do have canals and bridges and the little mermaid.

You know, our old cemeteries are usually more like a forest with big trees then lawns. When we come to visit graves of our relatives - we usually take with us some food and drinks (very often Vodka). Some of that is usually left on the graves - for the birds or even for the homeless people to join in the eating. And people who come just to look on the graves of the famous people usually are not picnicing there. I cannot remember anybody who thought that a cemetery could be scary or having negative energy... Sad - yes, but not bad, as the people who lie there were and are loved by those who is alive so far...
Flowerdk4 said:
When you talk about sites and gardening, were you referring to this Summer Garden, I think it was called?

The most well-known place near SPb is Petergoff.
Flowerdk4 said:
I have just checked some travelling agents to see what the price was to go to St. Petersburg. If I had a boat it wouldnt be that far away if you look on a map, but I would prefer to fly. The prices are not that bad. Some agents have tours where you also get to go to a town in the country. I think that may be a good idea. Anyway I have to start saving up for a holieday now. :p

I usually get there by air. Airport Pulkovo is just about half an hour from the city center.
Flowerdk4 said:
Speaking of culture differences. I watched a documentary a couple of nights ago about homeless children, very small chilren from the age of 5 to 14 years old. They were living at a Station in Moscow I believe it was. It was heartbreaking to see those children trying to cope with life and not knowing where to get food or a safe place to sleep. Some of them even went with old men to their appartments giving sex, for some money and to get some food and a shower. All the childrens eyes were just so deep and you could tell they were lost souls. One thing, which puzzled me, was the fact that the police beat them up. This I did not understand. Plus, why there were no parents looking for them. I know that there are homeless people all over the world, so its not meant as thing I only think you have in Russian. I just simply could not understand how so small children could walk the streets and nobody really cared. Some people gave them carity clothes but that was it really. I was thinking that maybe, you have another culture about children in your country? How do I explain this without sounding ..bad. Here in Denmark you would never find a child walking the streets without people caring for the child, asking it where is your mother etc. and the police would take care of the child or the social board. I am aware of the fact that I live in a country with a high social standard, so seeing children like the ones in the film, is very heartbreaking for me.

You know, Flower, not everything they tell us on TV is in proportion with reality. Yes, we have homeless people and even children. Yes, we have in our government a lot of people I would have never invited to my home. Yes, our police more often cares about themselves than about our citizens. But I doubt that there is a place on Earth where everything is good and just, and everybody is happy. There is about 12 - 15 millions of people living in Moscow, including several millions of people who had to flee from their lands... So, naturally, in so vast a pot there inevitably would be found all kinds of unhappy, mentally unstable, crushed by the circumstances and even criminal people. You know, after some allegedly Islamic maniacs tried to bomb London - the place where Muslims live maybe better than in any other place, including all the arabic states, - I cannot think that there could be peaceful places on Earth.

And again about children: my own brother used to take far trips from the age of 6. Of course we tried to make him understand that we worry over it, that it could be dangerous for him... But OK, should we had him locked? No, I do not think so. So I would say that he could be considered homeless for one or two week each year for several years... I liked to live in the open very much myself - and I walked some sizable part of Crimea and Caucasus over a period of several years... (up to a month at a time, though). Of course some lands near Moscow too...
So, what I am telling you - it is natural for people to want to feel themselves "in the open" from time to time, and in many cases to be homeless is a free choice of the person. Same about "giving sex".
So. All in all, homeless people etc. is a bad thing. But this problem has not been effectively solved in any country in the world, so I do not think we are much different from all the civilized world with our problems.
Flowerdk4 said:
I would be glad if you could tell me about your family life, how do you socialise, and take care of each other?

Errr... My family life is not very interesting at the moment, with most of my time consumed by my work... And most of what is left I spend on our piece of land, making it liveable and enjoyable... So there is almost no time left for socialising this year...
Really, I think that I've written something that could be interesting to you in the Members Introductions thread. There is much about life in Russia there...
Flowerdk4 said:
Now a completely other thing. I have started to read Dostojevsky. And I could picture St. Petersburg before I saw all the beautiful photos of the town. I guess its because I had a picture that it would look a bit like the old part of Copenhagen and I was not far off base. Not that we have those beautiful churches. I somehow connect these churches with something from the middle east. I went to Egypt and that was a mixture of Africa and the middle east and they had the same kind of churces/mosques. In Cairo I went to a christen part of town and it was like being in a european town. The buildings and the energy was very european. Would you agree that russia is a mixture of christen europe and the middle east? I also think of the way you make patterns inside the churches and I have seen some decorative plates with patterns and they reminded me of something arabic.

Surely we are a mixture, as we had absorbed the mighty Chingiz Khan army along with many others who hoped to conquer us and wound up living among us... And our Christianity started in Byzantium, so it is the most Eastern branch of it that we have...
Really, as I think Russians are all the peoples that live in Russia and consider
themselves Russians (and that could be not only Russians, Ukrainians, Bielorussians and Jews, but also Tatars, Abkhazians, Osetins, Azerbayjanis, Armenians, Tajiks, Turkmens, Chechens and many-many others, most of them Muslims...), so our population is less than half Christian...
 
Rustam said:
Shame on me!!!
But I wasn't there :(
I mean SPB. ;)

My heart will always be with Moscow. As i hate this city as much i love it. I love streets of this city, it's squares, alleys ... and many other things which couldn't understand people from other countries.

This summer I was in Greece. I loved this country. We were (we, it is my girlfriend and I) in Thesallonoki 80 miles from them, in tourist's zone. Beach was great, weather was fine. Afina is fabulous. But this country is nothing when i compare it with Russia.

I live in Zelenograd, this is 20 miles from Moscow. This is some kind of bunk of Moscow. Silent streets, a lot of green trees, beautiful alleys, big forest park, around all city, and as I told before faint. This is the most af all!

Sergo, if wasn't here, you should may your way here with your wife, especially in evening. This is the best place for romantic trip. And know it as good as could know only twenty years romantic who felt love not so long ago ;)

Fotos you can view from here
P.S. Special thnx for invitation to Flowerdk4 ;)

Hi Rustam - good to hear you again.
I like Zelenograd, I have been there a lot of times - but always on business, so those beautiful photos were a surprise for me - I've never seen those places there.

That's great you are in love - I remember myself twenty years ago... The difference was I came with my girls to SPb, island near Astrakhan, creek near Moscow, seasides in Crimea and Caucasus... Never to Greece, you know...
But I think the fun you have is the same...
:D
 
Sergo said:
You know, our old cemeteries are usually more like a forest with big trees then lawns. When we come to visit graves of our relatives - we usually take with us some food and drinks (very often Vodka). Some of that is usually left on the graves - for the birds or even for the homeless people to join in the eating. And people who come just to look on the graves of the famous people usually are not picnicing there. I cannot remember anybody who thought that a cemetery could be scary or having negative energy... Sad - yes, but not bad, as the people who lie there were and are loved by those who is alive so far...

This gives me an idea that you dont think of your dead relatives as someone in the past, but someone who is still among you somehow? I would say that people in europe and usa, wouldnt include a dead relative like you do. They mourn of course, but wouldnt have a "small party with food and drink" with their dead relatives.


Sergo said:
The most well-known place near SPb is Petergoff

Okay! Last night I was reading "The Idiot" and in the book the main character goes into the Summer Garden. What a coincidence, when I just asked about that place! Why is Petergoff well-know? Are there something special in the garden?


Sergo said:
You know, Flower, not everything they tell us on TV is in proportion with reality. Yes, we have homeless people and even children. Yes, we have in our government a lot of people I would have never invited to my home. Yes, our police more often cares about themselves than about our citizens. But I doubt that there is a place on Earth where everything is good and just, and everybody is happy. There is about 12 - 15 millions of people living in Moscow, including several millions of people who had to flee from their lands... So, naturally, in so vast a pot there inevitably would be found all kinds of unhappy, mentally unstable, crushed by the circumstances and even criminal people. You know, after some allegedly Islamic maniacs tried to bomb London - the place where Muslims live maybe better than in any other place, including all the arabic states, - I cannot think that there could be peaceful places on Earth.

And again about children: my own brother used to take far trips from the age of 6. Of course we tried to make him understand that we worry over it, that it could be dangerous for him... But OK, should we had him locked? No, I do not think so. So I would say that he could be considered homeless for one or two week each year for several years... I liked to live in the open very much myself - and I walked some sizable part of Crimea and Caucasus over a period of several years... (up to a month at a time, though). Of course some lands near Moscow too...
So, what I am telling you - it is natural for people to want to feel themselves "in the open" from time to time, and in many cases to be homeless is a free choice of the person. Same about "giving sex".
So. All in all, homeless people etc. is a bad thing. But this problem has not been effectively solved in any country in the world, so I do not think we are much different from all the civilized world with our problems.

About the programme I saw about some children. They did not claim that this is how russia treat their children or anything like that. It was simply showing the life of a group of homeless children living at some station. For me as an outsider, I was very surprised to see this and was wondering as I could not understand it.
I am very surprised to hear about your brother wandering around for a week or two each year. Do you know where he went? I have a son myself and he did play outside for hours when he was a small kid, but he never wondered around for days by himself. I get a sense that you as a family felt that your brother had a need to explore? and that you did not want to "kill this need" by locking him up? I know this is VERY different form the homeless children as they were either thrown out of the house by their parents or they ran away due to some problems in the family. I understand that you brother was fine and he always knew he had his family to come home to.
I find this to be very interesting, as I understand this to be a matter of freedom and a matter of protection among other things. Here in Denmark we do protect our children very much, but we are not like americans, in the sence that I feel that some americans have lives based on fear. They spend a lot of money on security and bodyguards etc. We are a more open society and base our lives on trust. We do of course have criminals etc. But for instance many famous people walk the streets without getting hassled, even world famous people from abroad like it here due to this. I cant help thinking that your brother must have had a huge sense of wanting to explore and you as a family respected that and gave him the freedom to do that. Do you know if this is a "normal" way of thinking in Russia or if it was just your family?


Sergo said:
Errr... My family life is not very interesting at the moment, with most of my time consumed by my work... And most of what is left I spend on our piece of land, making it liveable and enjoyable... So there is almost no time left for socialising this year...
Really, I think that I've written something that could be interesting to you in the Members Introductions thread. There is much about life in Russia there...
I did read a little in your thread but I did not want to interfer. So you have some land in the country side?

Sergo said:
Surely we are a mixture, as we had absorbed the mighty Chingiz Khan army along with many others who hoped to conquer us and wound up living among us... And our Christianity started in Byzantium, so it is the most Eastern branch of it that we have...
Really, as I think Russians are all the peoples that live in Russia and consider
themselves Russians (and that could be not only Russians, Ukrainians, Bielorussians and Jews, but also Tatars, Abkhazians, Osetins, Azerbayjanis, Armenians, Tajiks, Turkmens, Chechens and many-many others, most of them Muslims...), so our population is less than half Christian...
Yes I was thinking this as well, also with the fact that you are a huuuge country. There must be many languages as well.

Flower
 
Rustam said:
I said that this is for me.
Of course, Greece has good weather, beautiful sea, and a lot of other sings, which hasn't Russia. But Russia is my country, or better to say it become my country.
All my life I used to live in Baku, this is Azerbaijan, then, when USSR broked, life become, terrible. Our family moved to Moscow, it was in 1995, or 1996 I can't tell more precisely I was just a child. Russia gave my three high education, good work, friends and at last belowed.So how can it compare with any othere country? For my oppinion in can't ;)

Sounds like it was a good thing for you that your family choose to move to Moscow!
When you lived in Baku, did you speak russian then or was it something you had to learn after moving to Moscow? I picture that you are muslim? and maybe had another language from birth.

Flower
 
Flowerdk4 said:
This gives me an idea that you dont think of your dead relatives as someone in the past, but someone who is still among you somehow? I would say that people in europe and usa, wouldnt include a dead relative like you do. They mourn of course, but wouldnt have a "small party with food and drink" with their dead relatives.
Our dead were part of our lives once, and so far as I am alive I have with me the memories of the people that were dear to me. So in a sense they are alive when somebody remembers them. As to our parties... That's mostly explained by our customary ways, rather than by our need to feel a whole with our dead in this way. You know, to remember my grandfather and grandmother I do not need to come to our cemetery: they are in my heart.

Flowerdk4 said:
Okay! Last night I was reading "The Idiot" and in the book the main character goes into the Summer Garden. What a coincidence, when I just asked about that place! Why is Petergoff well-know? Are there something special in the garden?
Because that is a very beautiful place. That has been a summer residence of our Tsars once... I am sure you have seen a Samson Tearing Apart Jaws of a Lion? He's atanding there. There is a lot of sculptures, waterfalls, fountains there...

Flowerdk4 said:
About the programme I saw about some children. They did not claim that this is how russia treat their children or anything like that. It was simply showing the life of a group of homeless children living at some station. For me as an outsider, I was very surprised to see this and was wondering as I could not understand it.
I am very surprised to hear about your brother wandering around for a week or two each year. Do you know where he went? I have a son myself and he did play outside for hours when he was a small kid, but he never wondered around for days by himself. I get a sense that you as a family felt that your brother had a need to explore? and that you did not want to "kill this need" by locking him up? I know this is VERY different form the homeless children as they were either thrown out of the house by their parents or they ran away due to some problems in the family. I understand that you brother was fine and he always knew he had his family to come home to.
I find this to be very interesting, as I understand this to be a matter of freedom and a matter of protection among other things. Here in Denmark we do protect our children very much, but we are not like americans, in the sence that I feel that some americans have lives based on fear. They spend a lot of money on security and bodyguards etc. We are a more open society and base our lives on trust. We do of course have criminals etc. But for instance many famous people walk the streets without getting hassled, even world famous people from abroad like it here due to this. I cant help thinking that your brother must have had a huge sense of wanting to explore and you as a family respected that and gave him the freedom to do that. Do you know if this is a "normal" way of thinking in Russia or if it was just your family?
You know, that could be truthful programme, partially truthful or faked fully. Sometimes reporters do the latter for the sake of the impact.
Of course we have people who were thrown out of their homes by their relatives or criminals - and children too. Children of alcoholics, narcoholics, etc. There are governmental homes for such children, and legally each homeless child has to be installed there. But in reality many children flew from such homes in order to live "homeless". I do not know what to do about it, as this doesn't seem as an independent problem to me, but rather a part of a complex of problems our Government has to go about solving someday.

I think that our people feel good about each other's right to freedom, if we are given time to think about it. So I am not sure if every family would have done the same by not keeping a boy locked, but I think that not many would be too repulsive about it...
And my brother after school went to Germany, where he lived without a possibility to come to see us or us to come to see him for many years... Then after 10 years or so he returned, married, bought a house near Moscow, and lives there happily spending money he has earned abroad. So you see - the tendency to be left alone is not too bad a thing.

Really, now Russians (Moscovites, as Moscow is a very special part of Russia) are much more concerned about security than we were 20 or 30 years ago. I do not think it s fully justified, as, for example, our flat was robbed only once, and I have never been attacked on a street etc., and I've been working with large sums of money for many years, carrying it with me here and there... So it is not much more dangerous in Moscow than in some other capital city in the world, I think.
Flowerdk4 said:
I did read a little in your thread but I did not want to interfer. So you have some land in the country side?
That's just a thread - if we wanted to keep it personal, we would have used @-mail.
Yep. Rather a small strip - 1500 sq. meters. Enough to buid several buildings and to make a garden. That's what I am doing since 1998 when I've bought my land for nearly nothing.

Flowerdk4 said:
Yes I was thinking this as well, also with the fact that you are a huuuge country. There must be many languages as well.

Flower

Yep. So huge, most of us never travels over more than a tenth part of it... Yes, but until very recently Russian has been known by nearly everybody within our borders...
 
Flowerdk4 said:
Sounds like it was a good thing for you that your family choose to move to Moscow!
When you lived in Baku, did you speak russian then or was it something you had to learn after moving to Moscow? I picture that you are muslim? and maybe had another language from birth.

Flower

Yes I am muslim :)
When i lived in Baku my native language was russian, because Baku was a part of USSR, but also i know Azerbaijanian.
In Baku i wanted to finish the gimnaziun of foreign languages, but my dream never become true instead i moved (as i said already) to Moscow and obtained there other required qualites ;)

About languages, when i studied in gimnazium i had practice in England, so when i arrived to Moscow to usuall school a gave 100 points forward to our english teacher.
My father half azerbaijanian half osetin(i don't know how is correct in english), so i become to understand, without any training osetin language, this how mu grandpa used to tell in azerbaijaninan [Ganinda var danishar], what mean [If you have in blood - you have tongue].
 
A Shoebox Full of Memories

Sergo said:
You know, our old cemeteries are usually more like a forest with big trees then lawns. When we come to visit graves of our relatives - we usually take with us some food and drinks (very often Vodka). Some of that is usually left on the graves - for the birds or even for the homeless people to join in the eating. And people who come just to look on the graves of the famous people usually are not picnicing there. I cannot remember anybody who thought that a cemetery could be scary or having negative energy... Sad - yes, but not bad, as the people who lie there were and are loved by those who is alive so far...

Cemetaries and St. Petersburg remind me of Maria Xaralampovna von Tiesenhausen. I took her to church in the 1970's. This year, my Godfather took me to see her tomb in the cemetary.

I wrote the following a few years ago, regarding her:


When I was 23, I began attending an "Old Calendarist" Russian Orthodox Church. Every Sunday, I would pick up an elderly Russian widow by the name of Maria Haralampavna von Tiesenhausen. As an interesting bit of trivia, the book "Starets Amvrosy, Model for Dostoevsky's Staretz Zossima", by John B. Dunlop (Library of Congress Catalog Number 78-189483, Nordland Press), is dedicated to Maria's late husband, Nikolai Fyodorovitch. It was my reading of Maria's copy of that book which gave me the desire to enter an orthodox monastery.


Maria spoke only Russian, so I had to learn a bit of Russian for us to
communicate.


On Sundays, after church, we would return to her apartment and she would
prepare a lunch, and we would chat.


She was a most interesting person. She had childhood memories of St. Petersburg before the Russian revolution. Her husband had been an accomplished pianist (specializing in Chopin) and had been an instructor at Yale University.


One day after lunch, she brought out from a closet a shoebox filled with
photographs from her life. There were photographs from her childhood and
youth, and photographs of her late husband. She really had a wonderful,
interesting life, a very full life which was blessed in many ways and yet had
its share of suffering. After she finished showing me all the photographs and
telling some of the history behind them, held up the shoebox, sighed, and
exclaimed "Garbage (Bwibrashenia in Russian),... once I die, this will all go
in the garbage". She had no surviving relatives who might value any of those
photographs, or find meaning in keeping them.


Maria passed away in the 1980's. Like Maria, I also have my own "shoebox"
filled with mementos and memories from my life. I too am plagued by the
thought that one day soon, that "shoebox" will go in the garbage.


Each of us has such a "shoebox" and it is a source of both joy and suffering
for us.
 
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