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J.K. Rowling: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire

Beatrycze said:
Well, I imagine Harry's death...after Cedric's and Sirius's (unless theory "Sirius lives!" is true :p ). Remember that these books are getting darker and darker.
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I wouldn't disagree with you that they're getting darker but I still don't think that Harry would be killed off at the end.

Beatrycze said:
As far as the prophecy is concerned, I think that it has a twist- prophecies usually have, but I'm not sure where...Maybe the one is Neville?
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Only if Dumbledore is telling lies! Voldemort marked Harry as his equal, not Neville. That's not to say that Neville won't figure in the outcome - he became much more powerful in OotP and I think he'll continue to do so. I'm sure book 6 will elaborate on the prophecy a bit more.

BTW - you state in one of your posts in an older thread that "each house get's 5 new boys and 5 new girls each year". I'm curious - where did you get that from?

Kev
 
lemur said:
I wouldn't disagree with you that they're getting darker but I still don't think that Harry would be killed off at the end.
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It's not that I'm sure of it, I only don't exclude this possibility. If I was to bet my money, I would guess that Dumbledore will be killed off. It's more teenager book that children, so death of the hero wouldn't be so inappropriate.



lemur said:
Only if Dumbledore is telling lies!
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We saw examples of his making mistakes, hiding the truth and in a way manipulating information.

lemur said:
I'm sure book 6 will elaborate on the prophecy a bit more.
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Me too. I'm sure that there is twist, it can't be so obvious.

lemur said:
BTW - you state in one of your posts in an older thread that "each house get's 5 new boys and 5 new girls each year". I'm curious - where did you get that from?

Kev
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I've read it someplace. It is based on the fact that in two classes there are twenty people on different lessons, where they are linked (potions, herbology). We know about 5 male Gryffindors in Harry's year and they live in one dormitorium.
 
Hello again,

Beatrycze said:
It's not that I'm sure of it, I only don't exclude this possibility. If I was to bet my money, I would guess that Dumbledore will be killed off. It's more teenager book that children, so death of the hero wouldn't be so inappropriate.
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I think he'll be killed off too, or some other form of "leaving" at least (i.e. Gandalf, Macros the Black etc).

Beatrycze said:
We saw examples of his making mistakes, hiding the truth and in a way manipulating information.
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I'm playing Devil's Advocate here TBH. As I said right in the first post, I reckon Dumbledore is still concealing information.

I don't, however, think that he'll lie to Harry. AFAIK, he's never actually lied to him yet, just refused to tell him info. Hence, I don't think Neville is "the One" (that phrase is so overused now after The Matrix :cool: ).

Beatrycze said:
Me too. I'm sure that there is twist, it can't be so obvious.
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Yes and no. I can't imagine that JKR will simply ignore the prophecy which means that she's limited to what the words can be twisted into. So, it leaves you with one (or both) of them "must die at the hands of the other". There're probably a few twists in the meaning of the word "die" however - Dumbledore keeps on going on about it (hence JKR thinks about the possible meanings of death and dying).

Beatrycze said:
I've read it someplace. It is based on the fact that in two classes there are twenty people on different lessons, where they are linked (potions, herbology). We know about 5 male Gryffindors in Harry's year and they live in one dormitorium.
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Like I said, I'm just curious as to whether that fact is in the books. If it was, I reckon its an "oops" as it makes a few other things pretty stupid. Anyway, I'm just having fun picking the odd hole. Spotted the Angelina Johnson one yet? There's a comment about her age in an earlier book which means she should have left by book 5 (like the Marcus Flint oops).

Kev
 
Yes, but I heard explanation that in Britain children born September- December can go to school a year later (which may also apply to Hermione).
Well, if it turned out that Dumbledore on purpose lied...for example, he did so, when he explained to Harry reasons of Snape for hate to his father. I wouldn't call it just "not telling everything"...
 
Beatrycze said:
Yes, but I heard explanation that in Britain children born September- December can go to school a year later (which may also apply to Hermione).
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Yes, there is some rule about that in some parts of Britain. It might be that.

Beatrycze said:
Well, if it turned out that Dumbledore on purpose lied...for example, he did so, when he explained to Harry reasons of Snape for hate to his father. I wouldn't call it just "not telling everything"...
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Fair point. It's definitely stretching "not telling everything", though I'd still call it that rather than outright lying. Dumbledore, IMHO didn't tell Harry anything that wasn't true. He just told a (miniscule) portion of the truth. Maybe this opinion just says something about me ;)

Kev
 
i have to say i preffered poa to this one but it did have a fantastic ending. The quidditch world cup wasnt to bad as we gotto meet a female house elf. :)
 
As all the Harry Potter books, I found it quite amazing, however, I got the vibe the writing was "sloppier" then the other books. Perhaps it was just a feeling?
 
Who keeps resurrecting these old threads anyway?

Just a few thoughts:

I still prefer book 3 as this one seemed padded out in places. When they said Quiddich World Cup on the blurb I was expecting a tournament. Not just one match. I'm still not convinced by Rowling's descriptions of the action going on in a Quidditch match either- for me it's not very clear as to what's going on.

I thought the opening chapter (with You Know Who and his minion talking about their evil schemes) was done reasonably well. The next few chapters with Harry's family did drag a bit though.

I guess all the 'find a date' bits were important in a way, but they did drag. I just wanted to get back to the challenges.

Elf rights? It's like Rowling needed something for Hermonie to do during this year. I'm not convinced about the author's execution of the idea compared to many other books dealing with exploitation.

Mad Eye's quite an interesting character. Great scenes with the curses, and what he did to Malfoy.
 
Well, I have surely read this book. But, it was so early that I dont remember much now. So, cant contribute much, but I do remember getting bored initially. But, when the book got deeper, it became more interesting. No time re-read it, so thats it I guess.
 
I like it best of the series, and I think the ending was very nice. The writing, as some said, might have been sloppier because the author said that there was a huge plot hole the first time she finished the book, and she might've just covered it up with mulch. Still very enjoyable. Winky will not recover, according to what I've heard. And Mad eye has the "coolest" face of any character I've ever read about.
Do not know what you people are talking about when you say you got bored while reading X part of it. Well...I guess for someone like me who was up to the noodle with excitment while reading the Brothers Karamazov, things just do not drag on....
 
Priori Incantatem was pretty cool!

I think each book is better then the last. After reading Order of the Phoenix, I can't wait for Half Blood Prince.
 
I just re-read Order of the Phoenix in anticipation of Half-Blood, and I have to say that it was much more enjoyable the second time through. My favorite is still Goblet of Fire, though, in terms of holding my attention. Order tends to drag on a bit with filler.
 
Out of the five books currently in print, I would choose Prisoner of Azkaban as my favorite, followed by Goblet of Fire, Order of the Phoenix, and then the other two (no particular order). Phoenix really lagged for me in the beginning, as if the first three hundred pages or so were filler. But, like all the other Potter books, it really took off and sucked me in. J.K. Rowling has to be one of the few (if only) authors who can write for all ages.
 
Book 5 was much darker than the others. Harry went from being such a sweet boy to a surly teen.....I miss the innocence of the early books. I think #1 will always be my fav.
 
Jim Dale did an interview with the 'Today' show yesterday. For those that don't know, Jim Dale is the narrator of the Potter series on CD. He said Half-Blood Prinice is the best one JK has done so far.
 
I also thought that this book started off very slowly - to be honest when I was reading the first chapter I checked under the dust jacket to make sure that I had picked up the right book :eek: . POA is most definately my favourite book. The ending is absolutely brilliant and none of the other books come close. GOF was definately entertaining, but I think, like the rest, that some parts struck me as unneeded and just there as fillers.
 
MonkeyCatcher said:
I also thought that this book started off very slowly - to be honest when I was reading the first chapter I checked under the dust jacket to make sure that I had picked up the right book :eek: . POA is most definately my favourite book. The ending is absolutely brilliant and none of the other books come close. GOF was definately entertaining, but I think, like the rest, that some parts struck me as unneeded and just there as fillers.
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I think I like Order of the Phoenix best.. I dont know why. I guess I just got a lot more into it.
 
I have read all of the books alot of times............... and think all of them ae equally good..................and i agree..........jkrowling is one of those few authours that can write for all authors.....
Cant wait for tommorow
 
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