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Proper Speakers, perfectly safe to the listeners health

The brilliant thing about good equipment is that it does not collapse at very modest volumes.
Rox' gear sounds superb played quietly.
Some styles of music simply demand higher listening levels, but in a house no one has the capability to get anywhere near levels that will harm.
Each time you wish to increase the volume by a single decibel, playing into 8 ohm speakers with 5metre runs of cable [even oxygen free copper twisted with silver and even bi-wired], you need 'double' the power. To actually hurt your ears you would need chain linked mono blocks giving you in the region of 1500 watts pc RMS. That's RMS, not transient peak.
What hurts your ears is distortion, not the music. When you read distortion you will be thinking of a nasty sound coming from the speakers, but distortion is not clipping, but rather a 'hardening' of the sound, a loss of sweetness. An ordinary transister radio has distortion, it is not easily recognised.
I have some friends in the industry and Rox, gave you the correct info in his thread, there are many misconceptions when it comes to power, volume and the nature of damage.
If volume alone injured a human ear, then Paul McCartney, the Stones, Bod Dylan, etc etc would all be totally stone deaf and they are not. A personal stereo can do much more damage than proper monitors because of the percentage of distortion present in the presentation in the buds.
Feel free to disagree, but without fully undertanding how standing waves and music behave you are not really qualified to do so,
sorry. Peace.
 
Gerwinnen Flecklecks said:
The brilliant thing about good equipment is that it does not collapse at very modest volumes.
Rox' gear sounds superb played quietly.
Some styles of music simply demand higher listening levels, but in a house no one has the capability to get anywhere near levels that will harm.
Each time you wish to increase the volume by a single decibel, playing into 8 ohm speakers with 5metre runs of cable [even oxygen free copper twisted with silver and even bi-wired], you need 'double' the power. To actually hurt your ears you would need chain linked mono blocks giving you in the region of 1500 watts pc RMS. That's RMS, not transient peak.
What hurts your ears is distortion, not the music. When you read distortion you will be thinking of a nasty sound coming from the speakers, but distortion is not clipping, but rather a 'hardening' of the sound, a loss of sweetness. An ordinary transister radio has distortion, it is not easily recognised.
I have some friends in the industry and Rox, gave you the correct info in his thread, there are many misconceptions when it comes to power, volume and the nature of damage.
If volume alone injured a human ear, then Paul McCartney, the Stones, Bod Dylan, etc etc would all be totally stone deaf and they are not. A personal stereo can do much more damage than proper monitors because of the percentage of distortion present in the presentation in the buds.
Feel free to disagree, but without fully undertanding how standing waves and music behave you are not really qualified to do so,
sorry. Peace.
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If your friends were ENT specialists then I would consider your statement a qualified opinion...

Here is the medical opinion not mine:

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/hearing-problems/Pages/tips-to-protect-hearing.aspx

You'll note that there are only two factors mentioned with regard to sound that cause hearing loss, how loud and how long. There is no differentiation between 'good' and 'bad' sound. Your friends in the industry are nutters.

In the interests of balance I bring to the table Pete Townshend, Ginger Baker and Blondie, all performers that have suffered significant work related hearing damage.
 
Dear Bob,
If you read my post you will see that I go to great lengths to explain to you that the sort of volume you are talking about is beyond the limitations of domestic audio equipment.
Calling people you do not know nutters, is not sensible argument in England or on the net really.
Regarding your listing of three people you know who have hearing difficulties, there are many more deaf people who have never listened to music. There are also many artists, some of which I mentioned who have not become deaf despite it. I put it to a sensible person that listing three from millions is not actually a very good argument.
Having read through the thread from several members of the old boys club I accertain that it is more a matter of economy than any other consideration, that stops people from buying quality audio equipment.
It all comes down to how serious you are about listening to music; absolutely nothing more!
 
Gerwinnen Flecklecks said:
Dear Bob,
If you read my post you will see that I go to great lengths to explain to you that the sort of volume you are talking about is beyond the limitations of domestic audio equipment.
Calling people you do not know nutters, is not sensible argument in England or on the net really.
Regarding your listing of three people you know who have hearing difficulties, there are many more deaf people who have never listened to music. There are also many artists, some of which I mentioned who have not become deaf despite it. I put it to a sensible person that listing three from millions is not actually a very good argument.
Having read through the thread from several members of the old boys club I accertain that it is more a matter of economy than any other consideration, that stops people from buying quality audio equipment.
It all comes down to how serious you are about listening to music; absolutely nothing more!
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Answer this question, are there hi-fi sound systems available to the domestic consumer that can output 80dB plus... Yes or no?

I simply list three performers with work related hearing damage because you list three performers without hearing damage. You can't destroy my argument without crashing and burning yourself, see how this works?
 
Some things raise one's eyebrows.

Gerwinnen Flecklecks said:
The brilliant thing about good equipment is that it does not collapse at very modest volumes.
Rox' gear sounds superb played quietly...
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I should hope so. But nothing to do with hearing loss.

Gerwinnen Flecklecks said:
Each time you wish to increase the volume by a single decibel,. . . , you need 'double' the power..
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Not what I learned, unless you are using different decibels than many of the rest of us.
1 dB = 10% increase in power level (barely noticeable)
3dB = double the power level
10 dB = ten-fold increase in power level.
Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel
Or else please provide definition of y0ur decibel from an authoritative published source. I'm ready to be educated.


Gerwinnen Flecklecks said:
What hurts your ears is distortion, not the music..
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An authoritative published source for that contention, not anecdotal, would also be much appreciated.

AND BTW: Insulting people is not the way to score points on this forum. So please save your snide remarks, like "old boys club."
 
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