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Is there anyone who doesn't care about the Dark Tower Series?

AquaBlue said:
So it's about Stephen King. Okay. So why dislike him?

I feel you may have misinterpreted. I wasn't explicitly referring to myself. Why, only last week I read a Stephen King book. Granted, it wasn't fiction (it was On Writing) but it contained much of what I dislike about King's particular (lack of) style.

AquaBlue said:
Now Stephen does NOT write literature. So if you just read literature then King will not be for you. His writes commercial stuff. It's King's imagination that's worthy. That is especially true with his DT series.

I'm sure Stephen King would be the first person to state that he does not write literature. I don't condemn him for what he writes - his choice. I used to read his novels a great deal in my youth. But, once past twenty, I found my taste maturing and I was happy to leave him behind. I just needed more from fiction than some monster to get me excited.

As for the comment about his imagination, I think my thoughts are summed up rather well by the character of Henry Perowne in Ian McEwan's Saturday when his daughter gives him some fantasy novels to read:

A man who attempts to ease the miseries of failing minds by repairing brains is bound to respect the material world, its limits, and what it can sustain - consciousness, no less. It isn't an article of faith with him, he knows it for a quotidian fact, the mind is what the brain, merely matter, performs. If that's worthy of awe, it also deserves curiosity; the actual, not the magical, should be the challenge. This reading list persuaded Perowne that the supernatural was the recourse of an insufficient imagination, a dereliction of duty, a childish evasion of the difficulties and wonders of the real, of the demanding re-enactment of the plausible.

'No more magic midget drummers,' he pleaded with her by post, after setting out his tirade. 'Please, no more ghosts, angels, satans or metamorphoses. When anything can happen, nothing much matters. It's all kitsch to me.'
 
I'm sure Stephen King would be the first person to state that he does not write literature. I don't condemn him for what he writes - his choice. I used to read his novels a great deal in my youth. But, once past twenty, I found my taste maturing and I was happy to leave him behind. I just needed more from fiction than some monster to get me excited.

It's not all about horror. Did you see the Shawshank Redemption? In fact he has several novels that are not about horror or monsters at all.

Tell us Steward what do mature readers read? You sound like you're a very mature reader yourself. Tell us please.

Make sure to use words that immature readers can understand. :rolleyes:
 
AquaBlue said:
It's not all about horror. Did you see the Shawshank Redemption? In fact he has several novels that are not about horror or monsters at all.

I know it's not all about horror. I have read Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption (and the other three novellas in Different Seasons; and Four Past Midnight). I gave up on King after Desperation, although the last King novel I bought was Dreamcatcher. I had also bought Everything's Eventual. I know exactly what his novels consist of

Tell us Steward [sic] what do mature readers read?
Have you misinterpreted me again? I said that my reading tastes had matured and I found myself wanting more than King's books. It happens.

I did not say that King readers (like yourself) are immature. Although the way you reacted...
 
I was not reacting to anything sir. I was just responding.

So would you say that you have a deep (mature) appreciation for books?

How would one develop such an appreciation for books- how does someone start to mature as a reader? What did you do at twenty to broaden your mind to reading?
 
Stewart said:
This reading list persuaded Perowne that the supernatural was the recourse of an insufficient imagination, a dereliction of duty, a childish evasion of the difficulties and wonders of the real

I must admit that this is a view I have secretly harboured. To create an entirely new world seems to me actually less imaginative than creating genuinely novel and interesting ideas for fiction set in the real world.

However it sounds as though Perowne (and McEwan) is talking about the likes of Gunther Grass (The Tin Drum: "No more magic midget drummers"), Salman Rushdie and Franz Kafka, which aren't really what most people would consider to be 'fantasy' writers. How would he react, do you think, to a plateful of Terry Goodkind?

(As for King, I've only read a couple of his stories from Different Seasons, and my thoughts are elsewhere on a Stephen King thread... somewhere.)
 
AquaBlue said:
So would you say that you have a deep (mature) appreciation for books?

I have an appreciation for words; moreso words than books.

How would one develop such an appreciation for books- how does someone start to mature as a reader?

As I recall, I just found myself getting bored by the authors that I was reading. I remember reading almost exclusively Koontz, Herbert, Barker, Rice, Brite, King, and Laymon.

Laymon fell to the side first - I started to see the same things appearing in his novels - mysogeny, gore, and implausible situations. And it wasn't that he was exploring mysogeny as a theme; the women were just getting chopped up, raped, etc. There was no purpose to it.

Koontz was another one that began to bore me. I read several of his novels and then one came along, The Bad Place, which was just so stupid the fact of its publication made it hard to take the man serious anymore.

Brite, to be honest, I sort of liked. She gave up horror though and went off to write gay fiction in contemporary settings. No vampires, no ghosts, no serial killers. I haven't seen any of her latest novels in the shops - that said, I don't venture into the gay/lesbian section of shops. If it's good enough to be on a shelf then its content should not matter and it should be amongst the A to Z shelves. Makes me think it's just porn. With words.

Herbert just died as a writer. His stories became dull.

While I liked King, I never could engage with his characters that much. And when Insomnia came out, I wasted days reading it. Then Desperation. I even bought Bag Of Bones, but gave it away before reading it. His voice was, when I think about it, too plain.

Rice became too obsessed with her vampires to think about new ideas. Thus we got several books after the closure of the Vampire Chronicles detailing the history of other vampires who had been bit players in the original series. Dull, dull, dull. Then, as sales dipped, she brought back LeStat. Now she's just lost it!

What did you do at twenty to broaden your mind to reading?

I tried other authors. I tried other horror authors (Caitlyn R. Kiernan springs to mind) but soon tired of that. I had seen Naked Lunch so bought the book by William S. Burroughs. I had seen Crash so bought the book by JG Ballard. I had seen The Virgin Suicides so bought the book by Jeffrey Eugenides.

I found myself gravitating away from the horror shelves into, for me, uncharted territory. There was so much variety that I'd never before considered. I just jumped in and tried a few. Found some I liked, some I didn't. The more I read the more I came to appreciate the skill of writing and I now prefer writing to storytelling. I've tried going back to certain authors from my youth but I can see that I've grown out of them because I no longer find anything worthwhile in their prose.

I find it best just to vary one's reading as much as possible and don't feel like you have to finish something if it isn't grabbing you. Of the books I've read this year I think there is a great variety of writing styles on display. I know there's more out there. And I'm willing to try. Horror, when I was younger, was a comfort zone. I no longer feel the need to be comfortable.
 
Very good Steward. Thank you.

I have been wanting to venture out of my regular books and explore the likes of Saul Bellow, John Steinbeck, and John Updike. My last serious novel was Marilynne Robinson's Gilead. It was outstanding. I actually enjoyed it more in some ways than most of the stuff I read. The writing was/is delectable.

So I will venture forth into, as Steward said, uncharted territory. Sorry for going way off topic.
 
AquaBlue said:
Sorry for going way off topic

While you're there, you might let us know what you make of The Known World. I've looked at it a number of times, based on the Pulitzer thing.

Good luck with Bellow and Updike. For me, if it's possible to concentrate on language too much at the expense of story, those boys excel at it.
 
I truly, truly feel sorry for you Stewart. You call the books, cited above (with the exception of King) horror? Hahhahahahahahahhhhhahhahhahha

Do your research, kid, before you blatantly ridicule God's genre.

I'll compile a list of writers, you've never read, that not only will move you, but fill you with both pleasure and ecstasy (hooked from the very opening sentence; you just can't stop)--if you truly want...
 
eyez0nme said:
I truly, truly feel sorry for you Stewart. You call the books, cited above (with the exception of King) horror? Hahhahahahahahahhhhhahhahhahha

Do your research, kid, before you blatantly ridicule God's genre.
Oh, what's like the "whackest" you got to give?

Is this where you hit me with Monteleone, Fowler, Ligotti, Hutson, Lovecraft, Grant, Schow, Simmons, Matheson, Holland, Massie, Clegg, Lansdale, Wilson, Little, Campbell, Straub, Lumley, and so on and so forth?

As I said, I read those listed above moreso. I didn't read them exclusively.

I'll compile a list of writers, you've never read, that not only will move you, but fill you with both pleasure and ecstasy (you just can't stop reading, from the very opening chapters)--if that's what you want...

In the horror genre? Not likely.
 
My God, dude, why do you read such boring books written by boring writers who, over half of them, can't even write?

LMFAO.
 
Is that the best you've got as a comeback, eyez0nme? We're very tolerant of children in this forum, but in your case we can make an exception.

Stewart said:
Oh, what's like the "whackest" you got to give?

:D
 
All the big words must make them boring.

Since whackjob seems to be dismissive of the authors(although I don't know if he means my reading list for the year or those horror authors I once read), I'm making the assumption he rates the likes of RL Stine and Christopher Pike as horror masters.
 
LMFAO!!

You don't even know who they are! Hahahhahahahhahahahahhaahaha!!!

Or Ira Levin,
W. W. Jacobs,
Henry James
M. R. James
Ambrose Bierce
Nathaniel Hawthorne
Shirley Jackson
Robert Lewis Stevenson
Robert Bloch
Edgar Allan Poe

or Jack Ketchum and Robert McCammon for that matter.

My list owns yours. Hahahhahahahhhahahhahahahhahahhahaa
 
Unfortunately, for your shltty list and mine, Roald Dahl kicks all their asses--including Bloch and King.
 
eyez0nme said:
LMFAO!!

You don't even know who they are! Hahahhahahahhahahahahhaahaha!!!

Robert Lewis Stevenson

You don't even know much. It's Robert Louis Stevenson.


As for your list:

Ira Levin
W. W. Jacobs,
Henry James
M. R. James
Ambrose Bierce
Nathaniel Hawthorne
Shirley Jackson
Robert Lewis Stevenson
Robert Bloch
Bently Little
Edgar Allan Poe
Jack Ketchum
Robert McCammon

I have three Shirley Jackson books. Two novels and one short story collection. I read a book by Bloch years and years ago (maybe when I was your age). I've read Poe but there's not really much to read. I've read Stevenson. I already mentioned Little. MR James I have a collectiion of the complete stories. Henry James, as I'm aware, wrote one novella that can be classed as horror. Ira Levin? Prefer the movies.

The thing is, the people I mentioened - while they may be mainstream they have a considerable body of work. The people in the list of yours (the proper horror authors, not the paddlers), with the exception of Little, don't.

I would have thought Guy N. Smith would be up your street.


But this thread isn't about making you look stupid. It's about The Dark Tower series. So let's leave it there.
 
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