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Martin Amis

AngusBenton

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Hello my English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish comrades!

I have been very impressed with Amis. Some books are better than others of course, but overall I find his sick and talented mind truly exciting. I love reading his work.

However, I know that many people in the UK don't hold him in the highest regard anymore. Critically, he takes a lot of lumps. Why do you think that is, and...do you agree?

(I hope other fans/h8ters of Amis will also post in this thread, regardless of nationality.)
 
I've never heard of him - what's he written, Angus?

(Btw, I am a UK citizen - yes, add it to the collection - so I feel justified in asking :D )
 
Never heard of him, Kookamoor! :eek:

I don't know why he takes so many knocks, Angus. He is arguably (i.e. I always argue that he is) the greatest writer this country has. Like all sensible novelists he realises that story-telling is much better done by cinema and TV these days and that the most important thing in a book is the language. It was Evelyn Waugh who said "I regard writing not as an investigation of character but as an exercise in the use of language, and with this I am obsessed," but it applies equally to Little Mart. His own father Kingsley couldn't bear his son's books, feeling that "he tries too hard and it shows," but as Kingsley admitted toward the end of his life that he couldn't read any book now that didn't begin, "A shot rang out," this in the end is high praise.

You can skim Amis for hours and never run out of delightful and brilliant phrases and images - and jokes. Here are a few plucked at random:

On a bereaved father, from Night Train:

He is shrinking. His desk is big anyway but now it looks like an aircraft carrier. And his face like a little gun turret, with its two red panic buttons. He isn't getting better.

On terrible books, from The Information:

When he first read Amelior Richard kept forgetting what he was doing and kept turning abstractedly to the back flap and the biographical note expecting to see something like Despite mutism and blindness, or Although diagnosed with Down's Syndrome, or Shrugging off the effects of a full lobotomy... Amelior would only be remarkable if Gwyn had written it with his foot.

On great books, from Money:
I must admit, I admire the way in which Orwell starts his book fairly late in, on page seven. This has to work in your favour. Reading takes a long time, though, don't you find? It take such a long time to get from, say, page twenty-one to page thirty. I mean, first you've got page twenty-three, then page twenty-five, then page twenty-seven, then page twenty-nine, not to mention the even numbers. Then page thirty. Then you've got page thirty-one and page thirty-three - there's no end to it. Luckily Animal Farm isn't that long a novel. But novels ... they're all long, aren't they. I mean, they're all so long.

On bereavement, from Night Train:

I woke up this morning and Jennifer was standing at the end of my bed. She was waiting for my eyes to open. I looked, and she was gone.

The ghost of a dead person must divide into many ghosts - to begin with. It is labor-intensive - to begin with. Because there are many bedrooms to visit, many sleepers to stand over.

Some sleepers - maybe just two or three - the dead will never leave.

He's also a past master of authorial intervention - Amis talks directly to the reader in The Information (reflecting on, among other things, how he hated going on double-dates as a young man because he is only 5'6") and in Money Martin Amis is a fully-fledged character (as the boorish narrator says, "Oh yeah, and a writer lives round my way too. ... He stops and stares at me. His face is cramped and incredulous ... He gives me the creeps. This writer's name, they tell me, is Martin Amis. Never heard of him. Do you know his stuff at all...?)." Maybe that's why they hate him.

What's not to love?
 
Kookamoor said:
I've never heard of him - what's he written, Angus?

(Btw, I am a UK citizen - yes, add it to the collection - so I feel justified in asking :D )

The Rachel Papers (1973)
Dead Babies (1975)
aka Dark Secrets
Success (1978)
Other People (1981)
Money: A Suicide Note (1984)
London Fields (1989)
Time's Arrow: Or the Nature of the Offense (1991)
The Information (1995)
Yellow Dog (2003)
The Pregnant Widow (2005)

If you want to get started, I would say either "Money" or "Yellow Dog".

"London Fields" won him much praise, and is another good place to start.
 
Shade said:
Never heard of him, Kookamoor! :eek:

I don't know why he takes so many knocks, Angus. He is arguably (i.e. I always argue that he is) the greatest writer this country has. Like all sensible novelists he realises that story-telling is much better done by cinema and TV these days and that the most important thing in a book is the language.

You have become this n00b's favorite poster. What an insightful and wonderful post you made! (Abridged here for bandwidth purposes.)
 
Thank you Angus. I consider myself a bit of a n00b here too. You can find more of my ramblings on the link in my signature, with all names changed etc. If I may add to your bibliography:

The Moronic Inferno and other visits to America (1986): interviews, etc.
Einstein's Monsters (1987): stories on a nuclear theme
Visiting Mrs Nabokov and other excursions (1993): interviews and reportage
Night Train (1997): novel(la)
Heavy Water and other stories (1998): stories
Experience (2000): memoir
The War Against Cliché (2001): reviews and essays
Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million (2002): Non fiction

I have heard about The Pregnant Widow, but is it out this year??
 
Shade said:
Thank you Angus. I consider myself a bit of a n00b here too. You can find more of my ramblings on the link in my signature, with all names changed etc. If I may add to your bibliography:

The Moronic Inferno and other visits to America (1986): interviews, etc.
Einstein's Monsters (1987): stories on a nuclear theme
Visiting Mrs Nabokov and other excursions (1993): interviews and reportage
Night Train (1997): novel(la)
Heavy Water and other stories (1998): stories
Experience (2000): memoir
The War Against Cliché (2001): reviews and essays
Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million (2002): Non fiction

I have heard about The Pregnant Widow, but is it out this year??

Don't think the Pregnant Widow is out yet, but am told will be. Fall?
Heavy Water is amazing. I love the assortment of ideas. The janitor on mars bit had me scaring people on the subway with laughter.
 
Shade said:
Like all sensible novelists he realises that story-telling is much better done by cinema and TV these days and that the most important thing in a book is the language. It was Evelyn Waugh who said "I regard writing not as an investigation of character but as an exercise in the use of language, and with this I am obsessed"

I can't disagree with this strongly enough! Cinema does not do story telling better. Cinema is limited to 2 hours and is unable to do so many things that books can do because of it's visual format and limited time space and scope. Also, movies are ( for the most part ) now products produced by teams. Books are still ( for the most part ) products of the heart and mind shared directly with the reader!

To say that language is the most important part of a novel is a little like saying that the visual aspects of cinema are the only important part. As a story telling vehicle novels are far superior to cinema and only focusing on a single aspect ( the beauty of language ) is foolish. Books have so many strengths and only concentrating on one of them is a deep loss. It's like playing with an orchestra and claiming that the obo is the most important factor so there for I will neglect all other instuments!

I have never read any of his work, but I didn't like any of the quotes you posted. I think I should try to seek out something by him to form a proper opinion. What do you recommend? :)
 
AngusBenton said:
Some books are better than others of course, but overall I find his sick and talented mind truly exciting. I love reading his work.
Hmm - still doesn't ring any bells with me. I will check him out, though... although I'm a trifle concerned about what a "sick and talented mind" means. I'm not a fan of graphic violence (although sometimes in a fantasy context I can handle it) or horror... but from Shade's quotes this doesn't seem to be what you mean. Care to clarify?
 
Kookamoor said:
Hmm - still doesn't ring any bells with me. I will check him out, though... although I'm a trifle concerned about what a "sick and talented mind" means. I'm not a fan of graphic violence (although sometimes in a fantasy context I can handle it) or horror... but from Shade's quotes this doesn't seem to be what you mean. Care to clarify?

Ah...how to explain. Not violent, just in touch with the contradictions of the human mind. A certain honesty. I would say the same of Voltaire.

I don't enjoy "horror" at all. However, I find some of the things we do to those we love, the things we pursue with abandon, sometimes more horrible than vampires and murderers.

Check him out!! :)
 
AngusBenton said:
However, I find some of the things we do to those we love, the things we pursue with abandon, sometimes more horrible than vampires and murderers.
Exactly! Hence the reason I find very graphic violence in a reality based story *far* more horrifying than in a fantasy book. Ever since I was a little kid, I was never afraid of the bogeyman or monsters under the bed, I've only ever been afraid of people. What human beings are capable of doing to each other is far more frightening.
 
Kookamoor said:
Exactly! Hence the reason I find very graphic violence in a reality based story *far* more horrifying than in a fantasy book. Ever since I was a little kid, I was never afraid of the bogeyman or monsters under the bed, I've only ever been afraid of people. What human beings are capable of doing to each other is far more frightening.

So true. See Michel Houellebecq "Platform"...
 
http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/platform/ said:
Perhaps the New York Times says it best when it starts its review, "Michel Houellebecq is an ugly writer, vulgar, often silly, sex-obsessed. His heroes are unprepossessing loners, eaters of junk food and watchers of far too much television, and generally, egotistically, they are named Michel."
Doesn't seem like my type of book... I prefer to leave confronting the evils of humanity to reality, and indulge my imagination in better worlds.
 
Kookamoor said:
Doesn't seem like my type of book... I prefer to leave confronting the evils of humanity to reality, and indulge my imagination in better worlds.

He's a very talented bastard, though. Maybe a library visit?

(So as not to be economically bound?)
 
Wabbit said:
It's like playing with an orchestra and claiming that the oboe is the most important factor so therefore I will neglect all other instuments!

Not at all! It's like playing with an orchestra and saying that the music is the most important factor... But seriously, how can language not be the most important thing in a book? It's what everything else is made up of - story, characters, and so on. To adopt an Amisian repetition: it's the words. It's the words. I think a mistake some writers make is to believe you can do without a prose style, or voice, or that style is something that is tacked on on top of the story. It is (or should be) intrinsic to the book. For instance, how much less effective would the description above of the bereaved father be if Amis had just described literally that his eyes were red and he looked lost?

More red eyes, from London Fields:

Three days ago (is it?) I flew in on a red-eye from New York. I practically had the airplane to myself. I stretched out, calling piteously and frequently to the stewardesses for codeine and cold water. But the red-eye did what the red-eye does. Oh, my. Jesus, I look like the Hound of the Baskervilles... Shaken awake to a sticky bun at 1:30 in the morning, my time, I moved to a window seat and watched through the bright mists the fields forming their regiments, in full parade order, the sad shires, like an army the size of England. Then the city itself, London, as taut and meticulous as a cobweb. (...) Things have changed, things have remained the same, over the past ten years. London's pub aura, that's certainly intensified: the smoke and the builders' sand and dust, the toilet tang, the streets like a terrible carpet.

Really though, Wabbit, if you didn't like any of the quotes at all then maybe Amis just isn't for you. You don't, as they say, have to like everything. If you did want to give him a go, I would probably recommend one of his shorter books, Night Train or Time's Arrow. Money is widely agreed to be his funniest, though it's not necessarily easy to get into at first. (It's worth pointing out here that I read four Amis books before really deciding I liked him.)

Anyway, if you're still curious, here are some extracts from Time's Arrow, which tells the story of a life lived backwards, or more accurately viewed backwards:

I can't tell - and I need to know - whether Tod is kind. Or how unkind. He takes toys from children, on the street. He does. The kid will be standing there, with flustered mother, with big dad. Tod'll come on up. The toy, the squeaky duck or whatever, will be offered to him by the smiling child. Tod takes it. And backs away, with what I believe is called a shiteating grin. The child's face turns blank, or closes. Both toy and smile are gone: he takes both toy and smile. Then he heads for the store, to cash it in. For what? A couple of bucks. Can you believe this guy? He'll take candy from a baby, if there's fifty cents in it for him.

The women at the crisis centres and the refuges are all hiding from their redeemers. The crisis centre is not called a crisis centre for nothing. If you want a crisis, just check in. The welts, the abrasions and the black eyes get starker, more livid, until it is time for the women to return, in an ecstasy of distress, to the men who will suddenly heal them. Some require more specialised treatment. They stagger off and go and lie in a park or a basement or wherever, until men come along and rape them, and then they're okay again. Ah shit, says Brad, the repulsive orderly, there's nothing wrong with them - meaning the women in the shelter - that a good six inches won't cure. Tod frowns at him sharply. I hate Brad too, and I hate to say it, but sometimes he's absolutely right. How could the world ever fix it so that someone like Brad could ever be right?

It's all strange to me. I know I live on a fierce and magical planet, which sheds or surrenders rain or even flings it off in whipstroke after whipstroke, which fires out bolts of electric gold into the firmament at 186,000 miles per second, which with a single shrug of its tectonic plates can erect a city in half an hour. Creation ... is easy, is quick. ... How many times have I asked myself: when is the world going to start making sense? Yet the answer is out there. It is rushing toward me over the uneven ground.

Oh and another reason I like him is for his character names. Keith Talent, John Self, Clint Smoker, Nicola Six. Little Mart - I salute you!
 
Martin Amis is one of the authors I would buy sight unseen (on the strength of his name alone.)

Thanks for the list, Angus. I think I've only read about three of those so far.
 
I'm just starting Success, my first Martin Amis. I read Lord Jim by his old man. 'bout 10 pages in, so no telling . . .
 
Success is interesting but, in my view, an apprentice piece. Oh and you mean Lucky Jim ... unless Martin Amis was the love child of Joseph Conrad. :eek:
 
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