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Micheal Jackson ... Gulity Or Not Guilty?

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leanda

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Hi all

I was just watching the coverage on the Micheal Jackson trial, and just wanted to know what everyone thinks on the subject, I mean he still seems to have so many loyal fans even though the evidence against him is overwhelming.

What does everyone think?
Guilty or Not Guilty?


Leanda Wood
(There Are No Children Here)
 
I havent really followed up on the trial but from what i have seen its just a question of if you belive the boy or not. Is he speaking the truth or is he after the biggest paycheck of his life. The rest of the evidence is just porn mags. A single guy with a porn mag in his house, that must really mean something.

Jackson might need some mental therapy for all his other wierd ideas, but its hard to say if he is a child molester or not. He makes a very easy target for those that might want to get some extra cash.
 
leanda said:
I was just watching the coverage on the Micheal Jackson trial, and just wanted to know what everyone thinks on the subject, I mean he still seems to have so many loyal fans even though the evidence against him is overwhelming.
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I don’t think Michael Jackson does have any “loyal fans.”

Having seen the fan group twice in up close outside hotels in NYC, I’m convinced that the “loyal fans” who wait for him at airports and outside hotels and at court are paid actors hired by Jackson’s management.

When those “fans” are off-camera and MJ is not around, they stand around smoking and leaning on walls picking their feet, cynical and jaded looking, and when he turns up, they act like “innocent enthusiastic loyal fans.” It’s possible that these “fans” are paid without MJ’s knowledge. He has lots of people working for him who just run around trying to sustain the illusion of his importance for him.

They reminded me of a New Yorker cartoon where a bunch of cows are standing around a field smoking cigs and playing dice. One of them shouts out “Car!” and they all get down and act like cows.

I think nobody will know for certain whether MJ assaulted people, but he’s a messed-up weirdo, obviously, and any parent who lets their kid near him should be held accountable for the consequences.
 
Guilt, or not guilty .. it's like Shekspeare "be, or not to be."
First of all he is guilty in front of himself.
I don't know ... I was not there when he did or didn't his mistake. we all just listened news, read papers, watched tv ...
Anyone talked with him?
Anyone listened HIS story?
It seems that no one.

But in justice I have to say if criminations circulate.
They circulate not by themself:
1) Somebody want his "blood".
2) He is guilty.


P.S. For my opinion hi is guilty.
 
novella said:
I don’t think Michael Jackson does have any “loyal fans.”

Having seen the fan group twice in up close outside hotels in NYC, I’m convinced that the “loyal fans” who wait for him at airports and outside hotels and at court are paid actors hired by Jackson’s management.
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Interesting. No way to know if this is the truth, but this seems to click with something that has been playing at the back of my head. It does seem to explain why he has so many young fans - an age group that would have probably missed him in his prime.


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I think that's for a jury to decided. 12 people will be presented with the evidence in a court of life and it will be argued and they will come to a conclusion. I don't think it's up to me or the media to try and convict him without evidence.

... unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Guilty or not, he is going to be hounded.
 
SillyWabbit said:
. . . he is going to be hounded.
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Oh puleeez. MJ is the biggest media hound ever. He makes his life a spectacle. I don't think being "hounded" is something he particularly dislikes.
 
I don't agree. Isn't that a surprise? :) lol

I don't think he is really a media hound. His life ( as a big star ) is pretty much always going to be centre stage. EVEN if he is a media hound, I don't think it gives people the right to judge him or hate him. Trial by media isn't right in any way shape or form. Unfortunately that is what happens.
 
He's most certainly guilty of incredible stupidity, complete lack of good judgement, lack of common sense, and absolute childishness.

If he's not a media whore, then why the hell does he appear to be enjoying so much bad exposure? Why does he continue to parade himself in stupid costumes, and wave at the crowds and blow kisses when life as he knows it hangs in the balance of other peoples hands?

Could the allegations about him be any more serious, and yet he appears to be going to a charity ball in his honor.

Certainly one of the most F'd up people on the planet, and why anybody would allow their child to spend the night alone in his home is beyond me.
His most famous move besides the moonwalk is dry humping his own hand every 30 seconds or so.

I just wish he'd disappear from my television screen altogether.
 
Motokid said:
He's most certainly guilty of incredible stupidity, complete lack of good judgement, lack of common sense, and absolute childishness.

If he's not a media whore, then why the hell does he appear to be enjoying so much bad exposure? Why does he continue to parade himself in stupid costumes, and wave at the crowds and blow kisses when life as he knows it hangs in the balance of other peoples hands?
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He's been a superstar from the age of 5 or something. He's been waving at his fans since then. Its what he does. He hasnt exactly had a normal life. I doubt he knows how to act in these situations.

MJ has some serious problems in the head, but that dont mean he is guilty.
 
The only thing I said he was guilty of, was being a complete moron, and one of the planets largest media whores.

My hope is that he did not molest anybody (not for MJ's sake, but for the sake of the kids in question), but I suspect otherwise.
 
I don't know what to think.I go back and forth.I think growing up with a looney for a dad might have something to do with it.I think his father is a money grubbing control freak who fucked up all his kids.
 
Guilty, guilty, guilty. I never heard about the 93 incident (I was too young), and he paid out some $20 million and in 94 he paid out another $2 million to another kid. I don't know, to me it just seems to strange and that there's a pattern there. I've been following it on Court TV, they've got great coverage of the trial.
 
I think he probably did the nasty with kids-I doubt the prosecution would have spent the money to bring him to trial unless they thought they had enough evidence to prove him guilty. The big question is, will the jurors keep the stars out of their eyes and concentrate on the facts and the law?

I think he's pathetic. I don't think he lives in the real world, and he has no idea how to behave like other people. Of course his parents are to blame, they've manipulated him his entire life, since he's the golden goose, and let him do what he wanted as long as the money kept rolling in. I bet his brothers and sisters (well, maybe not Janet, she seems to do OK on her own) have been hanging around with their hands out, too.

That being said, that doesn't excuse him for molesting kids. But, what about these kids' parents? You'd have to be living on Mars the last 20 years or so not to have heard the rumors about him and kids. They ought to face charges too.

I have to wonder about MJ's own kids. When I heard he was going to have a baby with that woman, I thought, "oh, growing your own molestation victims, huh?" The way he makes those kids go out in public in veils is sickening. I just hope they're not screwed up too badly and have a chance to be something approximating normal, someday.
 
He is, in my opinion, 100% NOT GUILTY. There are soo many inconsistencies with this kid's testimony, the whole thing is practically a joke! The family has sued J.C. Penny before, for no other reason than to get money, dates of the alleged molestation have CHANGED several times throughout this whole process, Gavin's and Star's descriptions don't even match up, the family went to two lawyers about the "molestation" before contacting the police, the case has the same D.A. as in the 93 case and the kid went to the same psychiatrist as the kid in the 93 case did (neither kid "admitted" to molestation before seeing this man). The kid even has a history of lying under oath.

As to why he settled in the '93 case, its been said that he did it for a few reasons:
1. He was getting over a drug addiction, those around him were worried about his heath during a stressful trial.
2. He just didn't want to go through the media slaughter of him daily, he was sick of it.
3. He believed that the kid, Jordan Chandler, was being used by his father and didn't want to have to drag HIM through a court process.

The fact that he settled the case doesn't prove him guilty. And he's not settling now.

I am a HUGE Michael Jackson fan - I have been so since the 6th grade :rolleyes: - and so I guess I'm somewhat biased. But I've been through the facts, been reading the transcripts, and I don't see how anyone after reading/hearing this kid can believe in his guilt. Its a blatant case of extortion.

To Miss Shelf's last post-- he keeps his children's faces covered out of concerned for them.. he quoted the Lindberg baby kidnapping to explain this. Its understandable. :)

And to tarablythe- Court TV is extremely biased when it comes to Michael Jackson, they've been known to report things that never happened, then contradict themselves later on. For a more accurate view, read the transcripts or watch the E! television program on it.
 
In my opinion, all the so-called 'monsters' out there were made, not born.

I think it's time for us to consider prevention: as a community, I mean.

We have all seen tragedies in the making (children who are obviously disturbed and/or being emotionally abused) and have done nothing.

It will be grimly interesting to see what is said -- in retrospect -- about this latest school shooting. I'll bet some people saw it coming.

:(
 
It's hard to say if he's guilty or not. Wherever there is money, there are people waiting in line to commit fraud and perjury to get it.

Also, young children make very poor witnesses. Their minds are too easily manipulated.

But what does it matter? The media and popular consensus had him tried and convicted long before he stepped into the courtroom.
 
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