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Dan Millman: Way Of The Peaceful Warrior

forget about what you know for a moment and don't be concerned with what is possible and what is impossible. you're stuck inside a box. whether you believe vernon turner is capable of anything at all makes absolutely no difference. forget about what you believe, just observe yourself. do you find this conversation funny? does it seem pointless to you? just observe your mind like you were reading a book. stay aware of this moment. what I am saying has an affect on you. observe it until your mind becomes like water.
 
bobbyburns said:
forget about what you know for a moment and don't be concerned with what is possible and what is impossible. you're stuck inside a box. whether you believe vernon turner is capable of anything at all makes absolutely no difference. forget about what you believe, just observe yourself. do you find this conversation funny? does it seem pointless to you? just observe your mind like you were reading a book. stay aware of this moment. what I am saying has an affect on you. observe it until your mind becomes like water.


It's not a question of not being open minded. Let me put the question back to you. Why SHOULD I believe him? I'll write a book how I have learned with the power of my mind to negate the laws of physics. Will you believe me? If you don't i'll just accuse you of being stuck in the box. Do you believe EVERYTHING that you read? Now, I am a very open minded person. I can believe a whole lot of strange stuff maybe possible but there are things you KNOW because of common sense that it's just not real. I mean come on, the guy calls himself "legendary defender of the wear??" PLEASE.

Tell you what. I'll make you a deal. You go to the meanest part of time. You find some bad ass gang bangers. Walk up to their leader. Look him in the eye and tell him you will "take him to pieces." If you come back alive, I'll believe everything about Mr Turner :D

Regards
SillyWabbit
 
I'd say you should just take a step back, believing me isn't going to make the least amount of difference. if you think it was impossible what vernon turner did, then you're headed in the right direction. I'm only using him as an example ... he's not some messiah. I'd draw a parallel between us and the christian followers: none of them know for sure whether their friends and family members are gonna go to heaven or hell. they may even talk about the same ideas from the same religion, but the church teaches them that they're only accountable for themselves. everything else is conjecture. I'm not going to tell you why you should follow, because that's irrelevant ... it's out there, you can take in as much of it as you want. start from where you're at. you're skeptical, that's a good thing. keep asking questions. the most important thing is that you're aware of what's going on around you. observe your surroundings closely, like living with a snake in the room. ever detail is important, no matter how small.
 
Please!!! Enough with the pseudo intellectual cryptic mystical bullshit! :)

If you have proof that Vernan Turner can beat up 6 martial arts black belts with one finger while he is blindfolded ( IN SECONDS ) with no martial arts training then please post it.

If you have proof that he went around beating up gang members in the roughest meanest parts of New York. Please post it.

If you have proof that their leader "Karate :rolleyes: " Threatens to kill Vernon Turner But when it told by him that "he will take him to pieces" This gang leader gives him a hug, takes him to a bar and offers him one of his women and makes him a "war lord" Yeah, RIGHT...

If you have proof of any of that then PLEASE post it. I am waiting :)

Regards
SillyWabbit
 
you read the article. what more do you want from me? maybe he didn't do that, I don't know. you're looking at the tiniest part of the picture ... the point is not that someone with no formal training can go around fucking up gang bangers and perverts in the ghetto. there's something beyond that. it's not mysticism, and it definitely isn't intellectual, it's just a way of looking at the world without fear. that's zen. maybe vernon turner is full of shit and has some complex which requires that he get tons of attention so he can bang tons of bitches and slap them across the face with his hot, throbbing cock .... that's a possibility. or maybe he had nothing to fear and nothing to lose? doesn't it seem strange that he keeps such a low profile and that, incidentally, the reporters were the ones who looked him up? he doesn't seem too desperate for fame.
 
I'm sorry and I know you are going to accuse me of being close minded, I cant! I think Vernon Turner is full of it. He has nothing to offer me. I'll read a book on Zen. I have studied that, a little. I find it interesting and it has much to teach me. Some lunatic who thinks he can run around with his pants on the outside... has nothing to teach me :)

Regards
SillyWabbit
 
there are some pretty awful books on zen circulating right now. I'd only recommend krishnamurti, vernon turner and/or dan millman (way of the peaceful warrior). the rest is ass-9. ;)
 
I gotta say, I'm with Wabbit on this.

And before you start preaching again, bobby, or before you start asking cryptic questions again, Enema, I'm looking at this from a completely practical point of view.

Here's my point: What that man claims to have done it a blatant lie; utterly impossible and just not true.

Refute that. No zen, no 'self', no bigger picture, just Vernon Whatshisname and the things he says he has done. Yes or no?

Cheers, Martin :cool:
 
For the longest time man thought it was impossible to fly, but as we now know, it isn't.
There are people that will always believe and those that won't. Only time will tell which was right. (It isn't about being right or not; it is evolution)

Martin, I would have answered your question, but 'yes or no' has nothing to do with refuting it.
 
Martin said:
Here's my point: What that man claims to have done it a blatant lie; utterly impossible and just not true.
I don't believe that this chap did all the things that have been claimed either. But, while I have been given nothing that convinces me that it's the truth, there's also nothing that says it's utterly impossible. It's one thing to be skeptical of a claim, that's a perfectly healthy attitude, but quite another to so completely dismiss it.

You can't know for an absolute certainty that what happened is utterly impossible and so it's a foolish thing to say. It's completely close minded for one thing. You can never say that a thing is completely impossible, only that it's incredibly unlikely.

I don't know anything about this book, or about the man, and from what's been written here, it's about as likely to be true, in my opinion, as faith healing is. But having said that, and knowing how many times it's been debunked, there's still a power of placebo involved in faith healing, and placebo has been shown to be effective in the treatment of certain ailments. So, while I can say that in my opinion faith healing is total nonsense and does more harm than good, I cannot say that no one in existence has ever been helped by it. If you see what I mean.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you're probably right, and it probably is a fib, or at the very least a major exaggeration, but never say that it's 'utterly impossible'. Always be open to the other side of the argument. Everything isn't black and white.
 
thanks, litany. point gladly taken. claiming to know anything is risky, so I'm just gonna stop talking about vernon turner for now. martin, I don't think you're ready yet to listen to what I have to say. we're not on the same train of thought here.
 
I'm done with this topic :)

OK, now i'm going to levitate off to my space mountain and plot the worlds end with my badgers of doom from planet goat ( that is shaped like a goat )

And don't tell me that's not true coz you are not thinking out of the box and are just being close minded and HEY... IT COULD be true, right? I mean, maybe it VERY unlikely but it could be true so... off I go!

<---levitating :)

Regards
SillyWabbit

( Note: Posting is done with humor to illustrate my point... hope nobody is offended :) )
 
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