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geneviv

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Even though this article concerns a specific group of television programs I decided to put this here because it is also about ethics.

I never was into the WWF/WWC etc. but I have been watching Smackdown on and off a few months with my boyfriend. To my surprise I quickly became a fan of Eddie Guerrara for his humor and charisma. A couple of weeks ago he died mysteriously in a hotel room.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the issue discussed by this article. I think you have to register but it's free.
 
Oh man, what a topic!. I remember when the WWF had Hulk Hogan(before he was 5,000 years old)Andre the Giant, and the Iron Sheik. The WCW was then known as the NWA and had the road warriors, as well as "the nature boy" Ric Flair as well as Jake "the snake" Roberts. Good lord, I had every wrestling magazine that was ever printed.:D Oh the memories.:)
 
SFG75 said:
Hulk Hogan

Surprisingly, he's only 52. He seems to have been on that for years. I'm aware that he still makes sporadic appearances.

the road warriors
I think one of them is now dead in similr circumstances.

"the nature boy" Ric Flair
I was at my friend's house on Wednesday to watch the football and, afterwards, WWE Raw was on Sky Sports. Ric Flair was still in it. If Hogan is 5,000 yers old then Flair must be 10,000.

EDIT: just checked; he's 56. :eek:
 
Just copying the article here for everyone's benefit:

NY Post said:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/57926.htm
November 20, 2005

WE'VE been writing it for more than 15 years, but we're going to try it one more time. And then we're going to try to do what the rest of the media does: we're going to ignore it.

After all, what's a dead pro wrestler, or two. Or 20. Or 80. They're only pro wrestlers; it's not as if they're real people.

While Bud Selig and Donald Fehr resisted Congress's efforts to expose and eliminate steroid use, they should be grateful that Congress, and, by extension America, gives a damn whether ballplayers live or die.

On the other hand, it's hard to keep a body count on pro wrestlers, under the age of 40, who have died sudden, steroid-aided deaths in the last 20-25 years.

Vince McMahon does not contract the Elias Sports Bureau to keep track. But that industry-wide number must be closing in on 100.

Not a single active MLB player is known to have died a steroid-related death. But imagine if there had been one. Or two. Imagine if a massively muscled outfielder with the Tigers or Cubs was found dead in his hotel room today.

That's page one, the lead story of every newscast.

But as pro wrestlers drop dead - four, five, six a year - they hardly make a sound.

Pro wrestlers, a fraction of the number of MLB's talent pool, regularly drop dead; few seem to notice and fewer seem to care. And that's just the way that McMahon & Co. want it.

Last week, as MLB and the MLBPA finalized the Congressionally exacted steroid policy, Eddie Guerrero, one of McMahon's top WWE stars, was found dead in his hotel room in Minnesota. He was 38.

Pro wrestlers are commonly found dead in their hotel rooms. In fact, steroid-fortified WWF (now the WWE) star Brian Pillman, 33, was found dead in his hotel room in Minnesota in 1997.

It works like this: The wrestlers know that their bosses want over-the-top muscle.

They know that there's an implied, industry-wide directive to be on or to get on the juice.

They know that they have to be on the road many weeks at a time, without any medical coverage or sick days.

Miss a show due to illness or injury and you miss a payday. Often, one or two misses and you're fired.

So the cycle begins. Steroids to get and keep the job, barbiturates to kill the pain and get some sleep, stimulants to get through the next gig.

That's why pro wrestlers are found dead in their hotel rooms.

Guerrero was only 5-8, but with muscles that pushed the limits of natural physiology. And he was a pro drug abuser every bit as much as he was a pro wrestler - the two, in the Vince McMahon Era, rarely stand alone.

While Selig, the king of baseball, is hauled before Congress, McMahon, the king of pro wrestling - himself once massed on steroids - skips through the cemetery. He surely must think it wonderful that so few people care, that the media view his business only as a trendsetter for lowbrow pop culture.

McMahon is so smug in his knowledge that the news media ignore the deaths of pro wrestlers that he actually exploits the fatalities to pump TV ratings. Shortly after Pillman's death, the WWF promoted a "stay-tuned-for" interview with Pillman's widow, who was too naive to understand that her late husband died both a drug- and pro wrestling business- related death.

Last week McMahon exploited Guerrero's death to make ratings hay with his NBC-TV partners, first on McMahon's hideously desensitizing USA Network show (USA is now owned by NBC) and then through a speak-no-evil memorial on MSNBC. And let's not forget McMahon's long friendship and partnerships with NBC Sports boss Dick Ebersol, who convinced NBC to turn Saturday nights over to McMahon's XFL.

There are other big shots who take big dives for McMahon. A former U.S. governor, for example, other than Jesse (The steroid Body) Ventura. Lowell Weicker, from McMahon's home state of Connecticut, is a former governor and senator.

Weicker has long served as a member of the WWE's Board of Directors. We don't know what Weicker is paid for his presence, but given that he has to look past the perversity of McMahon's TV product and that he has to look around the scores of dead young men produced by the industry, he works cheap.

Anyway, under threat of Congress, MLB last week introduced a stronger drug policy. That made big news - while another pro wrestler dropped dead. And they continue to drop dead, ever so softly, so as to scarcely make a sound.

Just the way McMahon likes it.

phil.mushnick@nypost.com
 
The results of Eddie's autopsy revealed that he had the beginnings of heart disease. Basically the drug and alcohol abuse he had been indulging in years ago had ruined his organs. This was no secret at all, though. What's also no secret is that he had just celebrated 4 years of being clean and sober. That's not captured in the article.

Drugs were a huge problem back in the 80s and 90s, particularly before wrestling was openly acknowledged to be a stage show with pre-determined results. The main reason for this disclosure now is because of the drug scandal. Now it seems that the wrestlers have cleaned up considerably. Having read the (auto)biographies of Ric Flair, Hogan and Mick Foley it really does appear that things have changed. I think you only need to look at the age of wrestlers now as compared to a few years ago to recognise that there is a different level of fitness which comes from natural muscle as compared to steroid-induced muscle. Are they all clean? Probably not. But I think this article is pointing more fingers than providing some solutions.

The reality is that the big wrestlers are still selling shows. Personally, I prefer the luciador-style a lot better. I'd rather watch Rey Mysterio vs. Shawn Michaels (yes, he used to be a luciador) than watch the Snitsky and Big Show trade punches. Technical wrestling is improving, particularly with the success of Kurt Angle, an olympic amateur wrestler, and some of the other mid-sized wrestlers. Even a few years ago there were very few big men who could pull of the technical wrestling we see today (ever seen Hogan 'wrestle'? Pure shite.) The Undertaker is an example of an excellent large wrestler with good technique, though. Vince seems to still like the big men, but more and more technical wrestlers are succeeding, and you can't be the latter with large steroid-induced muscular build (Triple H tried it a few years ago after an injury - he sucked). I hope this trend continues.

Also not captured in the article was the fact that the 'tribute' shows to Eddie were with the blessings of the other wrestlers. The shows were very emotional to watch and I find it difficult to understand what else could have been done. Ignoring his death was not possible, and I think it is far better to acknowledge and pay tribute to a man who was a great wrestler and character than to simply package a highlight reel. I think there is a comparison being drawn in this article to the incident where the pay per view in which Owen Hart died went on anyway. I think that is an entirely different situation, and in this case the wrestlers were prepared for the show. I'm sure many people also noted that people who did not like Eddie (such as Eric Bishoff) were not featured on the show. Sure, it was probably very marketable. But I also found it very appropriate - money is not always evil.

In fact, mentioning this tribute show in the article is contradictory to the main thrust of the article in which the author is suggesting that Vince is hiding the deaths of wrestlers. Nothing could be further from the truth, as WWE has been very open about Eddie's 'demons' and his prior abuse of drugs and alcohol. If anything, these shows were an advertisement for why NOT to do drugs.
 
No surprises there then.

I just put dead wrestlers into Google and got this site. Page after page of dead wrestlers and there cause of death. Just count the amount of heart attacks or failures.
 
Great post, Kook, very insightful. I wasn't aware until now that Eddie had died, and I'm a little saddened by the news. About 3-4 years ago I was an avid watcher of WCW, and then WWE once it was taken over. Eddie was one of my favourites, and so I am very sad to see him go. I wish that they had shown the memorial show over here, it would have been great to see.
 
MonkeyCatcher said:
I wish that they had shown the memorial show over here, it would have been great to see.
Indeed. I actually have last week's Smackdown on tape, although it's not quite as emotional as Raw (which screens first here and as such they recorded a lot more interviews with the wrestlers on it), it still has some nice retrospective about him. I could send it to you if you're really interested, but you'd need to be able to view NTSC.
 
I have absolutely no interest in wrestling. However, I am glad that I read the posts on this topic as I have learned a lot about wrestling that I was not aware of or even thought about.
 
Kookamoor said:
Indeed. I actually have last week's Smackdown on tape, although it's not quite as emotional as Raw (which screens first here and as such they recorded a lot more interviews with the wrestlers on it), it still has some nice retrospective about him. I could send it to you if you're really interested, but you'd need to be able to view NTSC.
I found out that it actually was on here, I just didn't know about it. My brother taped it so I can see it next time I visit him. Thanks for the offer, though :)
 
MonkeyCatcher said:
I found out that it actually was on here, I just didn't know about it. My brother taped it so I can see it next time I visit him. Thanks for the offer, though :)
No worries :).
 
Bookslut has an excellent write up on Steel chair to the head, that deals with professional wrestling and it's reflection of culture.:) Yet another to add to my list, though my interlibrary loan list.;)
 
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