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Virginia Woolf: Mrs Dalloway

Yes, undoubtedly Woolf can be hard going. Or perhaps just boring going. I read most of her 'mature' novels when I was in my late teens/early twenties, which may be the best time to do it, when the mind is still open to new things. CDA recommends her non-experimental early stuff, but I would also put a word in for Jacob's Room, her first 'experimental' one but which only occasionally ventures outside the new reader's comfort zone. Or Orlando, which although written between two of her 'hardest' books To The Lighthouse and The Waves, is actually pretty accessible and even has a high-concept plot: person lives for hundreds of years and switches sex along the way. Pretty much, I feel, she does get less accessible as her work progresses, which would be roughly as follows (dates are guesswork from memory, but I think more or less right):

Jacob's Room (1923)
Mrs Dalloway (1925)
To the Lighthouse (1927)
Orlando (1928)
The Waves (1931)

The Waves is completely off-the-wall, told entirely in dialogue, and not naturalistic dialogue either:

‘I see a ring,’ said Bernard, ‘hanging above me. It quivers and hangs in a loop of light.’

‘I see a slab of pale yellow,’ said Susan, ‘spreading away until it meets a purple stripe.’

‘I hear a sound,’ said Rhoda, ‘cheep, chirp; cheep chirp; going up and down.’

‘I see a globe,’ said Neville, ‘hanging down in a drop against the enormous flanks of some hill.’

‘I see a crimson tassel,’ said Jinny, ‘twisted with gold threads.’

‘I hear something stamping,’ said Louis. ‘A great beast’s foot is chained. It stamps, and stamps, and stamps.’

I loved it though, in a mad way, though I was under heavy sedation at the time, and found it much easier to read than Mrs Dalloway, which is the Woolf I had most trouble with. Nonetheless there is some beautiful writing in there (or possibly nothing but beautiful writing):

And then, thought Clarissa Dalloway, what a morning - fresh as if issued to children on a beach.

What a lark! What a plunge! For so it had always seemed to her when, with a little squeak of the hinges, which she could hear now, she had burst open the French windows and plunged at Bourton into the open air. How fresh, how calm, stiller than this of course, the air was in the early morning; like the flap of a wave; the kiss of a wave; chill and sharp and yet (for a girl of eighteen as she then was) solemn, feeling as she did, standing there at the open window, that something awful was about to happen...

Wonderful rhythm, Ginny!

There was also Between the Acts, a novel unfinished - or finished but not fully edited or redrafted - at the time of her death. And possibly another one, as I'm sure she must have written something more between The Waves and her death ten years later...?
 
I have not read this book but have watched the movie based on the book.

It's a movie where you "feel" more than you "see".

After watching it, it did peak my interest about reading this book.
 
I have not been able to get into Mrs. Dalloway yet, but Michael Cunnignham's The Hours, which uses Mrs. Dalloway as a central theme, is a beautiful book and I just loved the movie. One of my top 5 movies of all time, and the book was pretty decent too.
 
This is an old thread but I bought the book yesterday and I want to know ,any new comments?

Stewart , did you ever finish it? (I am still trying to get through the 50 pages of "introduction".
 
Hi I'm a newbie so this thread is new to me. I love Virigina Woolf, but did first discover the books as part of my degree so had help :lol: My favourite thing with Mrs Dalloway is to :

1) Watch film of Mrs Dalloway starring Vanessa Redgrave which does give you a handle if you need a plot :)

2) Read Mrs Dalloway

3) Watch the film The Hours (gorgeous soundtrack too !)

4) Read The Hours by Michael Cunningham

Love both the books and also second the recommendation of Hermione Lee's biography of Virginia. There's an excellent biography of her sister, Vanessa Bell by Frances Spalding if , like me you're a Bloomsbury fan :)
 
Hmm. The last time I looked at this thread -- or maybe it was a different thread, same subject -- years ago, I remember it having a more upbeat reaction to Virginia Woolf. So I'm somewhat surprised now.
I have subsequently enjoyed all three of Mrs. Dalloway, To the Lighthouse and The Waves and regard them as among the finest and most enjoyable literature I have read. Maybe it is because I came to them by way of Nabokov's major works, (Lolita, Pnin, Ada, and Pale Fire). After I had become used to his ways with language and telling stories, the transition to Virginia Woolf was quite easy and the brilliance of her writing was immediately noticeable.
Mrs. Dalloway contains one of the finest stories within a story that you will find anywhere, and ultimately also a fine portrait of Clarissa Dalloway herself as she places herself in the larger world. She's an admirable woman and well worth the effort it takes to parse the streams of consciousness that tell both of those stories.
 
I've only read two Woolf's so far, Mrs. Dalloway and To the Lighthouse, the former being my favorite. I found it easy to follow, and enjoyed the mingling of story threads. Clarissa is one of the most interesting characters, a woman of deep feelings that are only revealed in small increments throughout the story.
 
I didn't enjoy reading Mrs. Dalloway, it was not my cup of tea. However, I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion of the book in another forum. The members discussing the book, giving their thoughts/interpretations was more interesting to me than reading the book, which I found to be rather boring.
 
The book can be boring, but I found it a worthwhile experience, especially when I reread it a couple of years ago for my book group. I was older than the first time around and more willing to wait and see what developed.

I detected three stories: Clarissa's, Peter Walsh's, and the young soldier. Each of them has lived a life which did not quite work out. Two of them can handle it and one of them can't. The pleasure lies in getting the texture of the experiences and reactions.
 
I've just finished it – it's absolutely superb. It's not the 'easiest' book in the world to read, but I found it incredibly rewarding. There's so much going on! I'll post a considered review later.
 
And ...

Mrs Dalloway by Virginia Woolf

A warm June morning in London in 1923. Clarissa, the eponymous Mrs Dalloway, is walking about the capital, shopping for flowers for one of her famous parties that she is giving that evening.

She muses as she walks; considers her husband and former suitors; contemplates old friends and summer holidays long gone.

Around her, people stop and gaze in awe as a car carrying a notable person – the Queen? The Prince of Wales? The Prime Minister? – passes by.

Nearby, Septimus Warren Smith and his wife walk too, on their way to see an eminent doctor who might be able to help with his increasingly erratic and unstable behaviour, frightening his wife as he threatens to kill himself.

And Peter Walsh has arrived home from India, with the wreckage of his relationships behind him, to find that, 30 years down the line, he is still in love with Clarissa.

In Virginia Woolf's novel, set over the course of the one day and culminating in the party, these characters spin their threads across the capital, sometimes interacting but, at other times, brushing past each other as they make their way toward the evening.

The prose is not instantly easy – it is intended to reflect the internal dialogue and Woolf creates the disjointedness of that superbly. But to read it requires a concentration to find the rhythm – the ebb and flow – of the language.

But what is it 'about'? Well, many things. Primarily, it's about ageing and coming to terms with that, and with one's own impending mortality. Clarissa fears her own post-menopausal decline; dreads her charms, her sexual being, fading and, with it, a part of her married life. She is jealous when she finds that her husband has been invited, without her, to a luncheon with Lady Bruton – even though Lady Bruton is older than she is – and considers it to be the beginning of the end.

For Peter, there are regrets – he feels that he has never recovered from loving Clarissa; that he has never loved again and that it has cast a shadow over his subsequent life.

During the novel, both come to accept the pleasure of maturity, of mature contemplation.

For Septimus, however, the reality is different. A veteran of WWI, he watched as friends were killed, yet proudly managed to become 'manly' and quash any emotional response. Now, five years after the Armistice, he is shell-shocked and seriously ill.

Below these stories there are countless layers. For Woolf, there is the issue of how we treat those with a mental illness. She herself suffered mental problems and eventually drowned herself rather than risk another bout of illness. She's scathing of the doctors who 'treat' Septimus. But she also highlights the continuing, at that time, problem of shell-shocked veterans (Siegfied Sassoon was a friend) and the way in which society as a whole, recovering from the war, tried to ignore it, to brush the issue under the carpet. She sees, it seems, suicide as a completely honourable option – and those who decry it as 'cowardly' are vilified in the novel.

Other characters might muse on the war, but it is in generalised terms, without any concrete understanding of the suffering that that meant. Statues of royal, military and political figures are noted frequently in the first part of the novel – they serve to remind of Britain's imperial might and success, not least to characters musing on such matters. But, as with the people of all classes who ogle at the passing car, doffing their hats, praising whichever figure they believe to be inside and feeling a patriotic glow, they also serve as a public curtain – as symbols of power and of nation and of patriotism that hide the Septimus Warren Smiths of the world from inconvenient view.

Patriotism is shallow – it is the acceptable face of the suffering that war creates. And it is what makes war acceptable.

The book is regarded as a feminist classic, primarily on the basis that Clarissa is read as a symbol of how restricted women were at the time. But Clarissa has chosen her path – and she had alternatives. And as Woolf makes clear many times, Clarissa is a snob. She frittered away what intellectual talents she had in throwing parties for the rich and famous and powerful. Sally, the independent friend of her youth, made different decisions and does not have to have the doubts that Clarissa does – yet those decisions led Sally to a very conventional life.

Reading the book from a certain kind of feminist perspective, was Woolf saying that Sally's existence was negative, in the same way that Clarissa's could be said to be? That seems to be stretching things considerably; there is nothing to indicate that Woolf thinks Sally has made bad choices – in which case, she seems to be saying that choices are crucial. As with suicide, this seems to be about assuming personal responsibility. Don't be conventional for the sake of it; don't live for the sake of it if that means being taken over – in effect, being controlled – by those who think that they know what you must do. These strands are not dissimilar. And they say that, even with restrictions, you still have the power of choice.

Women in the book are restricted – or have been. But Clarissa's daughter, Elizabeth, is told by Doris Kilman, her history teacher and close confidante, that she has many options for how she could spend her life – Kilman was restricted by her times and by her background, but again, also by her own choices, which she fails, as she wallows in her own bile, blaming all around her, to acknowledge.

There have been suggestions by many critics that there are elements of homosexuality in the book. There are hints – Sally kissed Clarissa in their youth and the latter still considers that the happiest moment of her life. But it doesn't see to me to be the dominant issue. Doris Kilman might be a lesbian – her relationship with her pupil is very intense and involves her own extreme religiosity.

But the prime issue in terms of relationships is one of how we relate to those around us. How they influence our lives.

It's a brilliant book. Astonishing both in terms of the prose and the themes. It requires some effort to read, but is incredibly rewarding. Nobody should be afraid of Virginia Woolf.
 
I found out I'll be reading Mrs. Dalloway for one of my classes this coming semester. I have yet to read a Virginia Woolf book that I love; maybe this will be it.
 
Thank you, Sybarite, for your review. I have read the book several times. Each time I find more layers in it. I agree with your statement that this a view of maturity from maturity. Clarissa and Sally and Peter Walsh made their choices. They may not have been ideal, but here they are. Life goes on and they can take pleasure in it.

The shell-shocked soldier's choices were made for him by the war and he has not been able to handle the consequences. His mental illness has taken away his possibility of a future, of maturity.
 
Thank you, Sybarite, for your review. I have read the book several times. Each time I find more layers in it. I agree with your statement that this a view of maturity from maturity. Clarissa and Sally and Peter Walsh made their choices. They may not have been ideal, but here they are. Life goes on and they can take pleasure in it.

The shell-shocked soldier's choices were made for him by the war and he has not been able to handle the consequences. His mental illness has taken away his possibility of a future, of maturity.

Absolutely ... you've actually just summed up a lot of what I felt about it, and you've done it far more succinctly than I did. For which, Silverseason ... thank you.

It really is an amazing book ... it is one of the few iconic texts that I have come to have actually found myself in awe of. I know that I will go back to it.
 
I, for once, found it to be incredibly boring. As Stewart mentioned, nothing happens... it just drags and drags forever. I will probably try to read another of Woolf's books, but I was definitely not impressed with Mrs Dalloway.

D.
 
Thanks for an insightful review Syb, you've caught the tone and meanings beautifully.

I'm in the middle of Orlando now, and have stalled somewhat, mainly from real life getting in the way, but truthfully partially because the book doesn't call me as Mrs. Dalloway did.
It's getting a bit, oh, I hate to put it this way, but...it's getting a bit repetitive and I feel like saying, come on, lets get on with it! I expect I'm only in a lull though. It must have been considered shocking at the time, but now it's just rather tepid. All that said though, her prose is beautiful and worth reading for that enjoyment alone.
 
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