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Discussion in 'Sci-Fi, Fantasy, & Horror Books' started by Generalvally, Feb 22, 2004.
Are we assume that the origional LOTR was well written?
Candide - Voltaire
Death Comes for the Archbishop - Willa Cather
I hate them.
I'm not. I've already had my say about Elvish poetry!
I hate LOTR book to! It's crap!
It's just great fun winding up the LOTR fans! They just get so worked up about it
Anyway, boooooo, hissssssss!
Well LoTR is not the best book ever written as many seem to think, but at least Tolkien managed to write the story on his own. Many authors borrow elements from his story, but i have never seen a book that copies it like Brooks did with Sword of Shannara. And it does not improve the story in any way.
It can ofcourse be argued that Tolkien borrowed a lot from european myths (Tolkien has said so himself), but he used it in a different way than Brooks. Tolkien used for example dwarfs that he did not invent himself, but Brooks grabbed all his characters and scenes from LoTR.
Since the thread was called books/authors you Hate i wanted to rant a bit.
I thought LotR was OK, but it's fans seem unable to judge the trilogy without bringing up Tolkien's life's work. He may have written a huge detailed history, but for those who couldn't even be bothered with the Simarillion it really makes no difference. I think a book (or series) should stand on it's won merits
(but isn't creating a language a bit egocentric? Real languages evolve through use and their grammar and vocab change with the times. They don't stick to a set of rules, no matter how clever the man is who writes them )
As for authors whose books i will never read (again):
Eddings, Goodkind, Chris Bunch, Modesit, J. V. Jones
They smell of Poo!
Yes, Candide. I know it's a satire, but I had to read it for my AP European History class over Christmas Break, and it is absolutely one of the worst books I have ever read. I want to throw up every time I think about it.
Ever read Beowulf?
By the way, I love Tolkien.
No i havent read Beowulf, but i'm sure Tolkien borrowed something from that story. But is it anything close to what Brooks did?
Just some similarities i remember:
* Flick Ohmsord - Sam Gamgee
* Shea Ohmsord - Frodo Baggins
* Allanon - Gandalf
* Menion Leah - Aragorn (Even got a famous sword)
* Balinor - Aragorn/Boromir
* Eventine - Take your pick of elven kings from the 2nd age of Middle Earth
* Dayel and Durin - Legolas
* Hendel - Gimli
* Skull Bearers - Nazgul
* Warlock Lord - Sauron
* Sword of Shannara - The One ring
* Skull kingdom - Mordor
* Orl fane - Gollum
* Trysis(?) - Helms deep. Complete with siege etc
* Kings burial ground - Moria. Complete with scary water monster outside.
Allanon/ghandalf comes to the town of the hobbits/ohmsfords. Skull bearers/nazguls also come hunting frodo/shea. Fellowship of the ring/sword decides to help the war against Sauron/warlock lord. The composition of the 2 groups are almost identical. They travel to almost identical lands meeting almost the same people. They travel to the creepy mountain(moria) fighting a water monster outside (sound familiar?). Allanon/ghandalf fights a skull bearer and kills it, but in the last second it pulls him with it to a fiery doom (sound familiar?). Allanon/ghandalf supposedly dies in that fight but mysteriously survived and appears later on. Gnomes/orcs lay siege to a inpenetrable fortress (helms deep/trysis) set into a mountain. One ring/sword of shannara ends up in the hands of a crazy gnome/gollum that fights to keep his precious. There was even a traitor that influences the king of a city but i cant remember his name. There are probably more similarities, but thats what i could remember.
Many fantasy books start with the Frodo character living in a small town. The Ghandalf character comes visiting an sets him on a quest. A lot of writers borrows elements from Tolkien, but not to the extent as Brooks did. At least i havent read any.
Yeah, you are right! It's A HUGE rip off in almost every way. The sword of Shanara is basically the one ring.
Also Allanon tells Shea that once, long ago there was a powerful lord that was slain by the united peoples ( elves dwarfs and men ) but his spirit lives and now is rising to power again in the dark land. The only thing that can destroy him ( and which he searches for ) is the sword. HMMMMM that sounds a bit like another book...
I read it when I was very young and I have never even heard of lord of the rings. It was only later, after I had read lord of the rings, that I can to read it again and saw how completely it had ripped off lord of the rings. I'm very very very very surprised that he has never been sued.
I hate Neil Gaiman!!! I have to buy almost everything he comes up with - and he does so with indecent frequency! Arrrgh, he's driving me to bankrupcy! He doesn't even have the decency to take his time - his new works are popping up faster than rabbits, this fellow! You know this idiot completed 1602 for Marvel Comics? And his Ananzi Boys is next! I'm going to be broke!!!
Okay, I don't really hate anybody. Just puzzled.
Firstly, I'm puzzled as to why the sales are so kind to Terry Goodkind when he generally rips off Jordan? It's like all he does is translate Jordan's work from English to English, with a generous sprinkling of violence and sex. What with the current discussions on Terry Brooks...
Secondly, I'm puzzled as to why nobody tied up Kevin J Anderson from writing anymore Star Wars, Star Trek, Dune, whatever franchise our there and muddying the waters in each respective world? His work on Star Wars, IMHO, permanently scarred my fragile little mind - esp the Jedi Academy trilogy.
Hard to tell since I only read books that I've heard are good But the worst book I have read so far is probably Fool's Fate by Robin Hobb.
Any chance you could elaborate a little for me? Just interested in why. I mean did you not like the ideas? Do they conflict with your beliefs or religion perhaps? Or maybe you just aren't interested in philosophy in literature?
Curious is all.....
I don't know if there are any authors I actually hate. I remember when I was in school and I was forced to read certain books that I hated the forced part. I'd rather just read. Hmm...
I will say this, every time I've read Stephen R. Donaldson I end up wishing I hadn't. Right now I'm in the middle of his Mordant's Need series and it reads like a Harlequin romance run through a thesaurus program and given a slight fantasy overlay. I hope the next book is better.
Prolixic! Damn, long time no see!
Good to have you back (if you are, indeed, back).
Well, I had to read it for my AP European History class, over Christmas Break. It was a little much to digest on such a busy break, and I know that it's is all complete satire, but I guess I just didn't like how ridiculous the story was and the fact that the copy I had almost pornographical pictures in it. I think it was a combination of me being forced to read it for a class I hated and being a naive sophomore, offended by even even references to sex. That's probably why. But it just left a bad impression on me.
I detest Clive 'The Dullard' Cussler, find Dan Brown about as inspiring as a soggy cardboard box and J.K. Rowling is rather putrid, too.
The reason I feel this way is because it's true.
Thanks Martin. It's been a busy few years--not much time for reading let alone posting (or sleeping, or breathing, etc.). Lets just say when IT hit the fan I was standing in front of the blades yawning.
Regarding S.R. Donaldson--now that I'm into the second volume of this book I fear I may have to take back what I said earlier and find a new author to hate.
I don't really hate any that I have read more than one book by because I tend to stay away from them after the first bad book I read. From what little I have read of these three I have not enjoyed and all seem to be pretty well thought of by sci-fi critics.
Kim Stanley Robinson
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