I think we all appreciate a bit of the old freedom-of-speech thing. Which makes me curious as to why your three amigos aren't using it. But anyway, they've gone. Case closed. Thanks to all the rest who sent thanks, flowers, and chocolates. Sofia, as for the mature forum. Since it involved some code to "hack" the forum's templates to enable posting to those specifically of a certain age based on their birthdate, I'm guessing we are waiting for Darren to find the resource on a PHP forum or find the cash from the forum's advertising income to pay for a developer.